Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[hopi watcher]

That is the logical outcome of your arguement - if you had the brains to realise it.

There is no such outcome on foot of a humanitarian decision. A minister is not even obliged to explain the decision. The notion that such a decision would impact on any existing or future laws is just plain wrong and daft.

[keepitreal]

You still haven't answered my question about the hypocrisy of putting this particular Nigerian family ahead of the hundreds/thousands of others across Europe who are being deported on a daily basis.

Why should this woman and her family benefit from her lies and deception when other Nigerian families who have played it straight sit in hostels awaiting deportation?

Surely if there is to be a humanitarian gesture it should be to a family that hasn't lied, deceived and defrauded the State?

What sort of signal does that send to all those other families looking to stay in the EU?

It says honesty gets you nowhere but if put up a big enough smokescreen you might be able to stay.

And you still think letting this family stay ahead of other more deserving ones wouldn't undermine the country's asylum process?

It's completely pointless trying to explain the process of the law and the bigger picture to KD and HW. Both are obsessed with FGM to an unhealthy standpoint IMO,

If no-one else posts to this thread again, they'll just post to each other to make themselves feel good that they are leading their little armchair charge against FGM and to hell with the PROVEN facts of this particular case.

No doubt both of them will reply to this post with more unfounded, politically correct bleeding hearts drivel.

[Kevin Doyle]

That is the logical outcome of your arguement - if you had the brains to realise it.

Hilarious.

Trampas forward and absolutist half-baked theory based on nothing more than scaremongering waffle and you dismiss those who tear it to ribbons based on its stupidity as being stupid.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

[nonpartyboy]

It appears we are getting under skin on this issue, hence the vitriol.

I'm the racist? Thats the funniest thing I've read on this thread today

Are you serious ?The only people i see throwing vitriol and emotional blackmail all over the place is our pro immigration advocates.

[DaveM]

Consider the arguements or don't, your curiosity is meaningless.

I'm not a lawyer but I would have thought that the case boils down to the UN Convention Against Torture. If the court believes that these two girls are "more likely than not" to be subjected to an act of torture if they are sent back to Nigeria then Ireland is legally obliged to to grant them asylum.

The figures for the prevalence of FGM in Nigeria, as provided by the Nigerian government themselves to the UN, and referred to previously on this thread are shocking. The national average is 32.6% and this figure rises to above 60% in some areas.

The implications of the falsification of documents are not as simple as it would seem. When one considers the legal obligation on Ireland to protect persons in danger of being subjected to torture is deported back to their home country and the risk factors based on the statistics provided by the Nigerian government this case remains very much in the balance.

As I've said before I believe basic human decency dictates that two innocent children should not be returned to a country where they face a 1 in 3 chance of being subjected to a disgustingly inhumane act like FGM. I believe Ireland has a moral obligation to protect them and they should be allowed to stay.

[bob3344]

I'm the racist? Thats the funniest thing I've read on this thread today

Yes Kev, you are the person willing to believe any garbage that corresponds to your view that Africa is a hellhole full of unspeakable savagery. i.e. Racism. Darkest Africa, a place where no woman is safe.

Hopi with her 'Nigeria is only fit for dogs' comment is also a racist.

maybe you're getting paid to promote your bu11sh1t, who knows.

[hopi watcher]

So silly, it would seem, that you are quite incapable of addressing it. By the way, nobody said anything about "overnight". That is just more of the emotive nonsense you have been peddling since this thread started.

This point has be addressed over and over again. However for the slow learners I will repeat; A decsion to allow the children to stay on humanitarian grounds has no impact whatever on existing laws, the way they are interpreted or any future laws.

[Kevin Doyle]

And yet it would appear that this womans daughter NEVER EXISTED. what part of that dont you understand?. Her "deceased" daughter never existed for FGM to be performed on her in the first place therefore what danger are her other "children" in?. None whatsoever. The whole thing is a scam.

You appear to be unable to consider the position this woman was in. She did what she could to bolster her application. It still has not been established by anyone whether the children face no threat from FGM.

As for Keep it Real, if all this where a forgone conclusion there appears to be quite a few posters who have underlying concerns about this hence their need to consolidate their position on this forum, otherwise why bother responding.

If I was convinced that this woman deserved to be deported with her kids and was convinced they are in no danger I really wouldn’t bother trying to engage with 2 people on a thread that’s ultimately going nowhere.

[supamolli]

You're going to have to show figures here, how many EU countries have deported Asylum seekers who claimed on the grounds of FGM?

Are you saying that there is only a danger of FGM if as a Nigerian mother with children you claim there is a danger in your application?

[Kevin Doyle]

I'm not a lawyer but I would have thought that the case boils down to the UN Convention Against Torture. If the court believes that these two girls are "more likely than not" to be subjected to an act of torture if they are sent back to Nigeria then Ireland is legally obliged to to grant them asylum.

The figures for the prevalence of FGM in Nigeria, as provided by the Nigerian government themselves to the UN, and referred to previously on this thread are shocking. The national average is 32.6% and this figure rises to above 60% in some areas.

The implications of the falsification of documents are not as simple as it would seem. When one considers the legal obligation on Ireland to protect persons in danger of being subjected to torture is deported back to their home country and the risk factors based on the statistics provided by the Nigerian government this case remains very much in the balance.

As I've said before I believe basic human decency dictates that two innocent children should not be returned to a country where they face a 1 in 3 chance of being subjected to a disgustingly inhumane act like FGM. I believe Ireland has a moral obligation to protect them and they should be allowed to stay.

I agree entirely. A refreshing contribution.