Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[pete2]

"I don't know where the grave is"

Just laughable, schoolyard stuff. Shame on this woman and shame on the fools who encouraged her

[hopi watcher]

But thats the problem, it can no longer be determined if the children actually do face any threat.
Due to her using false documents, there is no 'fact' !

Contact the UN, they will explain to you the full extent of the threat which, sadly, is all too real.

[hopi watcher]

No, it isn't. This case is about whether Ireland will commit itself to granting asylum to any family that chooses to arrive here claiming a threat of FGM at home. Should PI be allowed to stay then no other such application, particularly a Nigerian (pop. 140 million) application can be declined.

This is nonsense. The simple fact of the matter is that these two children are here and in the event that the claim for asylum fails, the Minister can allow the family to stay on humanitarian gro#unds. That in no way deminishes the existing laws. In any event, the govermment would most certainly have to take measures should it materialse that we would be in danger of loosing control over immigration policy.

[supamolli]

This is nonsense. The simple fact of the matter is that these two children are here and in the event that the claim for asylum fails, the Minister can allow the family to stay on humanitarian gro#unds. That in no way deminishes the existing laws. In any event, the govermment would most certainly have to take measures should it materialse that we would be in danger of loosing control over immigration policy.

Of course it diminishes the laws because it diminishes the people's faith in them. People will have no faith in Ireland's asylum law if it is undermined to this degree - namely that if you delay your deportation long enough by use of fraudulent documents and lies, you not only cost the state nearly half a million but also stand a much better chance of staying than someone who tells the truth from the start. What sort of signal does that send out?

The wages of fraud and deception cannot be mercy in this particular case.

The public good outweighs these particular individuals' rights to stay and the thing that tipped the scales is the fraud, deception and wanton cost to the State perpetrated by the mother and the fact that to allow a liar, fraudster and cheat to stay while deporting others with similar stories who didn't resort to such devious methods, is the height of hypocrisy.

[hopi watcher]

Of course it diminishes the laws because it diminishes the people's faith in them. People will have no faith in Ireland's asylum law if it is undermined to this degree - namely that if you delay your deportation long enough by use of fraudulent documents and lies, you not only cost the state nearly half a million but also stand a much better chance of staying than someone who tells the truth from the start. What sort of signal does that send out?

The wages of fraud and deception cannot be mercy in this particular case.

The public good outweighs these particular individuals' rights to stay and the thing that tipped the scales is the fraud, deception and wanton cost to the State perpetrated by the mother and the fact that to allow a liar, fraudster and cheat to stay while deporting others with similar stories who didn't resort to such devious methods, is the height of hypocrisy.

Some posts here are very sad indeed. We are talking about exposing two children to mutilation, in a civilised, sane, well balanced society, nothing would justify that. And once again, stop flogging the misleading claimm that to allow them to stay would lead to melt down in immigration law. A decision, on humanitarian grounds, has no impact whatever on existing laws and will not in anyway influence any future case involving asylum claims.

[Kevin Doyle]

The wages of fraud and deception cannot be mercy in this particular case.

All Hail Caesar.

Will you get the f*ck over yourself.

[mr_anderson]

Contact the UN, they will explain to you the full extent of the threat which, sadly, is all too real.

That is not what I was implying.

Im not saying FGM doesn't exist, Im saying, in this specific case, the link between FGM and PIs children being forced to undergo such a procedure, does not constitute a fact anymore.

Because FGM occurs in Nigeria doesn't necessarily mean her children will be subject to it.
If it was the intention of PI to claim that her children would be subject to FGM, then, because of her false documents, this claim can no longer be taken as fact.

[hopi watcher]

That is not what I was implying.

Im not saying FGM doesn't exist, Im saying, in this specific case, the link between FGM and PIs children being forced to undergo such a procedure, does not constitute a fact anymore.

Because FGM occurs in Nigeria doesn't necessarily mean her children will be subject to it.
If it was the intention of PI to claim that her children would be subject to FGM, then, because of her false documents, this claim can no longer be taken as fact.

Any threat is sufficient to intervene and allow the children to stay on humanitarian grounds. No level of risk is acceptable in the circumstances.

[Kevin Doyle]

That is not what I was implying.

Im not saying FGM doesn't exist, Im saying, in this specific case, the link between FGM and PIs children being forced to undergo such a procedure, does not constitute a fact anymore.

Because FGM occurs in Nigeria doesn't necessarily mean her children will be subject to it.
If it was the intention of PI to claim that her children would be subject to FGM, then, because of her false documents, this claim can no longer be taken as fact.

Its prevalence in Nigeria is far too high to suggest simply taking a chance will suffice.

The mother screwed up- allegedly- yet most here seem gratified with the children paying the price.

[supamolli]

Some posts here are very sad indeed. We are talking about exposing two children to mutilation, in a civilised, sane, well balanced society, nothing would justify that. And once again, stop flogging the misleading claimm that to allow them to stay would lead to melt down in immigration law. A decision, on humanitarian grounds, has no impact whatever on existing laws and will not in anyway influence any future case involving asylum claims.

Would you mind not flogging the misleading claim that the Irish State doesn't have a choice in this, it does. Women and children are getting deported to Nigeria every day from every State in the EU. Why is this woman and these children any different?

The reality is that a system is only strong as long as people have faith in it/respect it.

The system will gain nothing from allowing a fraudster, cheat and liar to stay while at the exact same time deporting other women and children to the same country.

Can't you see the hypocrisy in such a move?

If I was to be asked to pick one of hundreds/thousands of Nigerian families and allow them to stay on humanitarian grounds it wouldn't be one which lied, cheated and deceived the State it its attempts to circumvent the laws of this country.

I would pick another family sitting in a hostel somewhere in the country who have played it straight. This family is the least deserving of any Nigerian family in this country.