Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[louis bernard]

No, I think he is saying the Nigerian Government is telling lies in relation to the prevalence of FGM in their country. This seems to be borne out by every partisan NGO's findings.

Whether there is FMG, GMF or indeed GFM in Nigeria is no business of ours. Just like the fact that in Saudi Arabia they flog rape victims. Unfortunate and cruel, but none of our business. This woman and her two children should be thrown out of here and the sooner the better. We are not responsible for the welfare of every child in the third world. And please save me the “they are here, so we are responsible” rubbish. They are here because their liar mother brought them here illegally. This whole business is so tiresome. The quicker these people are dispatched the better.

[Trans-Siberian]

Ergo the majority of undocumented Irish in the US are liars so on so forth.

When determining this case one must include the threat to the children which would motivate any parent to do whatever it takes to guarantee their safety.

Too many people are using the mothers (alleged) dishonesty to dismiss the threat to the children altogether.

This women should be deported because she lied in her asylum application. She has wasted hundreads of thousands of euros of tax payers money in tring to maintain that lie for her own selfish means.

In my opinion this has little to do with the safety of her children and is more about self preservation for Pamela.

This case must not be allowed to drag out for very much longer. I feel sorry for the kids as they have become used to this country but their mother does not seem to mind the distress caused.

Lets be honest we have to draw the line somewhere. if we allow her to stay another P I will pop up next week and so on and so on.

[Kevin Doyle]

Whether there is FMG, GMF or indeed GFM in Nigeria is no business of ours. Just like the fact that in Saudi Arabia they flog rape victims. Unfortunate and cruel, but none of our business. This woman and her two children should be thrown out of here and the sooner the better. We are not responsible for the welfare of every child in the third world. And please save me the “they are here, so we are responsible” rubbish. They are here because their liar mother brought them here illegally. This whole business is so tiresome. The quicker these people are dispatched the better.

There is nothing rubbish about it. You just want to wash your hands of them and use the sins of the mother to justify it.

These children face a real and verifiable threat from FGM. As long as they reside here they are free from such barbarity. That’s all there is to consider here I'm afraid and in that regard they should stay.

This thread has become a long winded convoluted diatribe populated primarily by individuals calling for deportation based solely on the actions of the mother without any consideration what so ever for the children or any risk that might befall them.

It’s an ugly reflection of a vocal minority in this country who for the most part make me bloody sick.

Whilst those children are here they are our responsibility.

[Kevin Doyle]

This women should be deported because she lied in her asylum application. She has wasted hundreads of thousands of euros of tax payers money in tring to maintain that lie for her own selfish means..

What are you talking about? The woman is holed in a dormitory with her two kids in Sligo getting 19 euro a day. A truely meagre existence by any standards in this country.

In my opinion this has little to do with the safety of her children and is more about self preservation for Pamela...

You are going to have to expand on that, it seems more like a rant that any considered opinion of her or her plight.

This case must not be allowed to drag out for very much longer. I feel sorry for the kids as they have become used to this country but their mother does not seem to mind the distress caused..

A clear indication that you have little understanding as to what these kids face when they return home, the distress of uncertainty is far more tolerable than the physical and mental stress they would suffer under a butchers knife.

You don't give two f*cks about these children or there welfare, if you did you would be demanding they stay here to avoid this barbaric practice being inflicted upon them.

Lets be honest we have to draw the line somewhere. if we allow her to stay another P I will pop up next week and so on and so on.

That is absolute rubbish and another retreat into the nonsense precedent arguement.

FGM is grounds for asylum already. We have not been flooded with Nigerians claiming asylum on such grounds so spare me your bogus self satisfied concerns.

Again this thread decsends into circular argument.

[louis bernard]

1. “It’s an ugly reflection of a vocal minority in this country who for the most part make me bloody sick.”


2. “Whilst those children are here they are our responsibility. “

1. I would venture to say that if it were put to a vote the vast majority of people in this country would have these people and all the other “asylum seekers” thrown out immediately.

2. these children are Nigerians, they are the responsibility of their parents and the Nigerian government. They do not belong here and are not wanted here.

Like I said, this entire business is tiresome and has been done to death, the sooner we are shut of them the better.

[Trans-Siberian]

What are you talking about? The woman is holed in a dormitory with her two kids in Sligo getting 19 euro a day. A truely meagre existence by any standards in this country.




You are going to have to expand on that, it seems more like a rant that any considered opinion of her or her plight.



A clear indication that you have little understanding as to what these kids face when they return home, the distress of uncertainty is far more tolerable than the physical and mental stress they would suffer under a butchers knife.

You don't give two f*cks about these children or there welfare, if you did you would be demanding they stay here to avoid this barbaric practice being inflicted upon them.



That is absolute rubbish and another retreat into the nonsense precedent arguement.

FGM is grounds for asylum already. We have not been flooded with Nigerians claiming asylum on such grounds so spare me your bogus self satisfied concerns.

Again this thread decsends into circular argument.

Ther is no credible evidence to suggest these children are under any threat.The word of their mother and her husband cannot be trusted now as been sufficient evidence that they are in danger if returned to Nigeria. They have both presented forged documnets to the irish courts to assist there claim.They have lied to us all.

I dont condone FGM and i have no problem with the state granting asylum where it is genuine.
But if you expect me to take the word of this woman then I say no. I might as well take your word for it and you are posting on an internet forum.

The Irish legal system has a duty to its citizens and to other genuine asylum seekers and as such must deport this women. Hard cases make bad law.

[nonpartyboy]

Our pc,liberal,let them all stay friends here can argue all they want,about how safe or unsafe nigeria is.And when they wish to return to the real world,the simple fact is our state is currently bankrupt,we cannot afford the current social welfare bill,it will have to be slashed.We simply cannot afford to take on any more foreign spongers,maybe the pc posters here could club together and say each put 15% of their income into an account to set this woman and her kids up in a "safe" country of her choosing when she gets deported.It's will certainly address many of your concerns.

[joemoran]

What are you talking about? The woman is holed in a dormitory with her two kids in Sligo getting 19 euro a day. A truely meagre existence by any standards in this country.


You don't give two f*cks about these children or there welfare, if you did you would be demanding they stay here to avoid this barbaric practice being inflicted upon them.

She had her and her children's food, rent and medical bills paid for her. She also had her legal bills which cost over 1 million euro alone paid for by us mugs. And the fact you still want to oppose your levy while supporting an open borders asylum policy for this country which has cost us so much really grates on me. Where are we going to get the money for all of these benefits if bleeding hearts like you refuse to pay your contribution? Get back to work anyway, stop dossing and wasting our taxpayers money. And incidentally Kev, learn the difference between "there" and "their".

[Kevin Doyle]

She had her and her children's food, rent and medical bills paid for her. She also had her legal bills which cost over 1 million euro alone paid for by us mugs.".

She is not living in the laps of luxury, the laws of the land dictate she cannot work to support herself therefore she is dependant on limited Social welfare. This is absolute nonsense to suggest she is milking the system when she lives in a tiny room and barely gets enough money to feed herself and her children. Will you cop the f*ck on to yourself.

And the fact you still want to oppose your levy while supporting an open borders asylum policy for this country which has cost us so much really grates on me.

All this does is illustrate your complete inability to understand the concept of fairness.

Where are we going to get the money for all of these benefits if bleeding hearts like you refuse to pay your contribution?".

Again, complete nonsense, as is your want by the looks of things. I'm paying the levy, I’ll be paying higher taxes next week, I don’t object to the concept of either just as long as its progressive. Quite where you get the idea that I’m not prepared to pay my contribution is anyone’s guess just more ambivalent fallacious garbage thrown up those bleating a vacuous arguement.

And incidentally Kev, learn the difference between "there" and "their".

Semantics, meh….

[jmcc]

What are you talking about? The woman is holed in a dormitory with her two kids in Sligo getting 19 euro a day. A truely meagre existence by any standards in this country.

Perhaps you missed all those court appearances? Over €500K or so including the investigations. And the government says it cannot afford to fund cervical vaccine program. The government cannot afford to provide proper school facilities and teachers. The government cannot provide proper healthcare to its own people.

As for the whole "vocal minority" issue, 80% or so of the Irish people voted to end the abuse of the Irish citizenship laws in the Citizenship Referendum. The rubbish that is being spewed by professional agitators and other Left wing detritus is almost as bad as that from the far Right.

What people like yourself, Hopi Watcher, D.Harry and others fail to understand is that this case is polarising the Irish political middle ground to an extraordinary extent and support for a lax immigration and asylum system is fast disappearing. This is forcing the growth of a more Right wing attitude to all asylum seekers in Ireland regardless of whether they are genuine or bogus.

Simply extrapolating the outcome of this case should be uncomfortable for people like yourselves. Indeed it would be for anyone in the middle ground. It will taint every future asylum application with suspicion. It will create votes for every politician who sees the resentment of bogus asylum seekers as an opportunity. It will create the conditions for the re-evaluation of IBC and those granted asylum. Any from countries designated as safe will be deported back to those countries. And that simple extrapolation doesn't even cover the probability of violence that is the inevitable outcome of competition for scarce resources.

Regards...jmcc