Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[Schuhart]

I don't think you're bright enough to see the point I was making so I'll let you get on with it. Oh, and best of luck.

You're right, you know.

I'm so stupid I can't even see the Emperor's fine new suit.

[Kev408]

Supporters of the Ms Izevbekhai can't take it as they know the game is up.

I hope you're not referring to me. I think any person who abuses due process should be dealt with appropriately. I just don't think children should suffer because of it. Call me mean but that's the way I feel. Also, there is the possibility that Pamela I may be telling the truth. I doubt it but the possibility exists.

[Kev408]

I reckon a psychiatrist would have fun with this post!

Why would you suggest that?

[Trampas]

Very relevant to the Pamela I case. Personalising issues is one of the last refuges of those defeated.

But do you do anything else other than personalise and dish out neg rep ?

Maybe you and Pamela are just the same. You both maybe tell lies to enhance your cause, you both pass the buck, you both avoid the issues with in her case excellent obfuscation, shoddy in yours naturally cos you ain't the brightest bunny in the hutch.

What a ridiculous run off at the mouth. Are you thick or something ?

That all said, what do you think of the wee black children whose friends are all Irish and who are totally oblivious to any potential wrong-doing on their mother's part. They want to stay and are totally innocent of any alleged spoofery. What should we do with them? You have all the answers.

I do indeed have the answers. Let us build a hygienic Cystic Fibrosis Unit for Irish children
with the money saved from repatriating scammers.

[Lthse]

Very relevant to the Pamela I case. Personalising issues is one of the last refuges of those defeated. Maybe you and Pamela are just the same. You both maybe tell lies to enhance your cause, you both pass the buck, you both avoid the issues with in her case excellent obfuscation, shoddy in yours naturally cos you ain't the brightest bunny in the hutch.

That all said, what do you think of the wee black children whose friends are all Irish and who are totally oblivious to any potential wrong-doing on their mother's part. They want to stay and are totally innocent of any alleged spoofery. What should we do with them? You have all the answers.

Making quite a few assumptions there, aren't we?
1 How do you know their friends are all Irish?
2 Don't you know they have a father and brother in Nigeria and have been kept from them by their lying parents?
3 They have an upper middle class house and come from a middle class family
4 They are at an age were moving is not a big issue, unless of course you think immigrant children shouldn't be allowed to move to this country at that age for the same reasons, or Irish families shouldn't move abroad either?

[Odyessus]

if someone has cynically taken advantage of the genuine concern and empathy many irish people feel for any unfortunate fleeing persecution in the manner which various sections of the media and the womans own doctor are claiming then Im firmly convinced they should be severely pusnished for such a cynical exercise . I see little moral difference in an attempt to deceive a country and its goodwill and what Karen Matthews did with the emotions of the British poeple .
If this woman has deceived the Irish people in this manner she has caused serious damage to the anti racist lobby , caused serious problems for those genuinely fleeing persecution and given the sneering racist far right all the ammunition they could ever hope for . In other words caused a lot of problems for our society and people within it by her fraud , perjury and dishonesty . There are asylum seekers here fleeing genuine persecution . There are nigerians here who I know that devote much of their time as committed christians to working with the simon community and other charitable causes as they see it as a christian duty and civic duty of thanks to give someting back to a society which offers them refuge .
If this woman has lied and taken advantage of our generosity of spirit the result will be a meanness of spirit in future will be all the more common , and our society more damaged . Who on earth would fight an asylum seekers case in the public eye in future ? If thats the case then she deserves to be punished severely .

and less of this jail hotel bollixology . Thats complete and utter rubbish , but typical of the right who reckon unless theres floggings and starvation diets a jails just a holiday camp.
Captivity is extremely bad for you , its never a holiday , thats why its a punishment . And a very real one .

Don't be absurd. Who is calling for flogging and starvation diets? I am merely pointing out that the prospect of a spell in the women's prison - sorry, Dochas Centre, would hardly deter any future scammers.

[Kev408]

But do you do anything else other than personalise and dish out neg rep ?2
What a ridiculous run off at the mouth. Are you thick or something ?1

I do indeed have the answers. Let us build a hygienic Cystic Fibrosis Unit for Irish children with the money saved from repatriating scammers. 3

You asked me not to personalise the issue, I didn't but you did (see point 1 above).

You seem more obsessed with your 'rep' than anyone I've ever seen on P.ie (see point 2 above and previous obsessional mentions of 'rep' in both this thread and others by this narcissist).

In your little world if one of Pamela I's children had Cystic Fibrosis would you allow her to enter the same unit?

On a personal note Trampas-like dude, you have reminded me of how self-absorbed some Irish people have become. You seem to think this chat is all about you and your rep and your ultra-righteousness. If it's any consolation I think you've joined the ranks of Paypal whose self-obsession is rooted in an inflamed Oedipus Complex. I think that just like Paypal you're about to be ignored by your fellow racists. Boohoo.

[Lthse]

Now I'm being asked to believe that -
PI gave up a very comfortable lifestyle to put herself and her kids through all this,

Well this is not in dispute, it's even on her cheerleaders website

Pamela Izevbekhai, subsidiary protection, sligo, family, Nigeria, judge, ireland, dublin, help

She worked hard from the time she left her Irish convent school, until she left her position in a major bank to flee to Ireland. Leaving behind her pretty comfortable and spacious home, complete with house keeper, as well as her beloved husband Tony and her only son Adrian.

that despite being in Nigeria, at considerable expense, the gardai seemingly made no effort to locate PI's in-laws or family, to bear out her story, instead making do with the first story which contradicted her version,

You obviously don't know how asylum applications work, it would be completely unacceptable for the Gardai to interview the very people she is supposedly fleeing from.

[EamonnZ]

I agree that if an asylum seeker is telling porkies he/she should be deported but there are children involved. Those kids consider themselves Irish - they really know no better. I think a little compassion is needed here.

I also have no flies about asking this question: if these kids and their Ma were Caucasian would some people bother to be so exercised by the whole issue?

I am absolutely certain that the colour of this woman's skin has inflamed the worst attributes of those who are pig ignorant in Irish society. (Apologies to pigs).

In order for us, as a society, to resolve this issue we need to be honest. The simpletons who inexplicably hate others because they were born closer to the Equator than us needs to be addressed.

Regardless of all those issues I hope that Pamela I and her children are allowed stay in Ireland.

I agree with you where compassion is needed. I cannot claim to be ignorant as I grew up as a child in Sierra Leone. I mixed in with the locals and their customs and went to school etc there. I can't afford to be racist as I am only half Irish. I am a very tolerent person, however, I cannot speak for any other poster here.

In respect of the children, The mother should have considered the full implications of her actions if lies were used and should be ashamed of herself for using children as pawns. I do have sympathy for the children. But if she is deported, it would be far more traumatic for the children if they are seperated from their mother...

If she has lied, she has done serious damage for refugess and racists alike, in my opinion.

Cheers

[Kev408]

Making quite a few assumptions there, aren't we?
1 How do you know their friends are all Irish?

Cos they grew up here and cos they have a local organisation supporting them

2 Don't you know they have a father and brother in Nigeria and have been kept from them by their lying parents?

I think most children have fathers but I could be wrong about that. Otherwise I don't see the point you're making.


3 They have an upper middle class house and come from a middle class family

Again, what's the relevance? Should we deport every child whose family has money?


4 They are at an age were moving is not a big issue, unless of course you think immigrant children shouldn't be allowed to move to this country at that age for the same reasons, or Irish families shouldn't move abroad either?

Irish people moving abroad? I doubt that would ever happen...or has ever happened. What's your point?

Apologies for the sarcasm but why don't you just make a point and we'll debate/discuss it?