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[Alterego]

No, but we should only entertain such appeals once the appellant has left the state. That would avoid the spurious pretext advanced by thicks such as Clanrickard, that the children have become attached to our country.

In this instance Clan is correct (I can't believe I'm saying this), the children are the issue now, not her deceit. I'm saying that the high level links she enjoyed and curried favour with should be investigated. Apparently the foreign office knew for some time that the documents were dubious (of course they could simply be saying that to cover there usual incompetence - after all it is Ireland).

[Catalpa]

Only in the fevered mind of a nitwit like yourself. That is stupid and baseless comment to make. To suggest people who have given support to this woman are in league with snakeheads is yet another slur. Cop yourself on.

People Trafficking is a multi Billion a year Crime industry

Next to Drugs it represents the biggest source of cash to International Criminal gangs across the World.

If otherwise reputable Irish people in positions of influence suddenly started saying ' oh maybe we ought to legalise Heroin and Cocaine and let off drug pushers and carriers and any caught coming the right to stay here'

- would you not smell a Rat?

Your the one who needs to cop yourself on mate!

[Horace Horse]

Of course they are not in league with people smugglers, but they are regarded as useful idiots.

As opposed to useless idiots--
Like Clanrickard!

[Horace Horse]

In this instance Clan is correct (I can't believe I'm saying this), the children are the issue now, not her deceit. I'm saying that the high level links she enjoyed and curried favour with should be investigated. Apparently the foreign office knew for some time that the documents were dubious (of course they could simply be saying that to cover there usual incompetence - after all it is Ireland).

"the foreign office"????

Was Britain involved also?

[advertismo]

Pray tell us what there is to investigate? This woman's story? But that's been discredited.

The efficiency of the Irish asylum system? But the delays were caused by our system allowing appeals.

Should we stop permitting appeals in asylum cases?

No, but we should only entertain such appeals once the appellant has left the state. That would avoid the spurious pretext advanced by thicks such as Clanrickard, that the children have become attached to our country.

There is no reason to allow appeals. If I apply to enter a country and am refused, I have no right to try to circumvent that judgement.

But the asylum system itself should be abolished, and retrospectively, or else should be curtailed by numbers and granted only as a temporary condition of shelter to last only for as long as their country of origin remains a threat to their well-being.
And certain countries which are not undergoing a state of war, famine or persecution, but are merely sh[I]tholes; like Nigeria, should have it's citizens excluded from asylum consideration.

What is the total number of applications we have had over the past fifteen years or so ? How many were granted ? How many of those who were refused have remained ? All benefit payments are maintained even after the applicant has been directed by the State to leave (by letter !!!??!!!)
At least a third of all children who have started school here over the last five years or so are the children of asylum seekers. And ask any of their teachers - the Nigerian ones usually go home for a month every year during term time for a holiday. Big feckin' threat, alright.
The only sympathy I have with(Nigerian) children is that they, through no fault of their own, have been born to such despicable scammer-parents.
But as for any upheaval they may experience when deported; they'll get over it. Their parents didn't mind bringing their older Nigerian-born children over to Ireland to begin with.

[asset test]

Dispassionately looking at this case is the only way to move on.

1. I do not believe the Minister will allow leave to stay. He has been duped before, and the one case I know of is the person who was allowed to stay to sit the Leaving Cert. When he had sat the exams and was due for deportation he had a child with his Irish girlfriend, and was allowed to stay on that basis. According to contemporary reports he had a lot of "form", let's leave it at that.

2. In Pamela's case, the fact that the lady has been allowed to take this case to different levels 23 times should not be blamed on her. It is the system that allows this that is at fault. FGS if you make an FOI request, it can be rejected on "vexatious" grounds, i.e. driving the Department nuts with constant similar requests just worded differently.
3.Correct me if I am wrong, and I know I am talking about criminal matters here, but if I am convicted of a crime, I can appeal. Sometimes the judge refuses leave to appeal. I can try for a miscarriage of justice, but that seems to me to be 3 or 4 tries to clear my name in a criminal case. I am sure the legal eagles on here may correct me on that. But asylum cases seem to be allowed appeals ad infinitum.
4. Can Pamela show a Birth Certificate for the late Elizabeth? or indeed can she show us where the little child is buried?
5. The lawyers who did represent Pamela I presume were pro bono. If they have been paid for by the State I am deeply upset.
6. If the lady is an asylum seeker, is she on E19 a week with free food and accommodation until the issue is resolved? (not that I agree with that but...) Is she in private accommodation and is she paying for this herself?

7. I'm going to have a cup of tea.

[advertismo]

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5. The lawyers who did represent Pamela I presume were pro bono. If they have been paid for by the State I am deeply upset.
6. If the lady is an asylum seeker, is she on E19 a week with free food and accommodation until the issue is resolved? (not that I agree with that but...) Is she in private accommodation and is she paying for this herself?

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For six years I was involved in the carrying out of payments to asylum seekers.
Around 2003 applicants did receive some piddly little amount like that, but after a few months were given instead an amount corresponding to the social welfare payment relevant to their position (i.e; 185 €, as it was then, for a single person, two hundred & eighty something for an adult with one dependant, increasing with each child.) Childrens allowance seemed tp be paid immediately. By 2005 I did not see one applicant who received the lesser amount - all had been granted full welfare payments.
Most were accompanied by husbands/partners; who initially did not receive payments - all official papers tied only the woman's name to the address.
When transferred from the pocket money to the welfare; the payments almost invariably were made as 'One-Parent Family' payments.
It seems now that the 'bachelor' menfolk had been subjected to a lenghty period without full welfare until they had asserted 'intent to remain.'
To begin with, there was a roughly even split between asylum seekers who were lodged in hotels, etc., and others who were in houses. All those in houses received rent allowance; which, over the years increased from around six hundred quid to between nine & eleven hundred. It was also pretty clear that some of the apartment developments were being built-to-demand to house applicants - as one set were finished, all the local asylum seekers who had been lodged in a nearby hotel would be transferred to the flats; a new bunch of candidates would appear in the hotel & a new development would begin. Quite the assembly line.
I doubt there are more than a couple of hundred asylum seekers receiving less than full welfare payments & welfare subsidies.
Ratio-wise; African asylum-seekers from countries that were actually involved in conflict seemed almost non-existent (the next most-visible group were Congolese) next to the numbers of Nigerians. Almost all of these Nigerians had multiple identities on various IDs. I did not find one individual among the Nigerians who wasn't lying or scamming in the ways described above, or some other.

[selfemployedmar]

Dreadful this lady is not a threat to our democracy, we the irish are just hypocrites, we decide to sit in judgement and decide whats right and wrong in our eyes when it suits us.

[selfemployedmar]

So let other countries roll out the carpet to us over the years and we act disgracefully. I am ashamed of this country and to the people that say send her back. Get a grip

[FutureTaoiseach]

So let other countries roll out the carpet to us over the years and we act disgracefully. I am ashamed of this country and to the people that say send her back. Get a grip

They often didn't roll out the carpet. Not least in the 19th century when the majority of emigration took place, whereupon many Irish emigrants experienced a baptism of fire at the hands of some in the host community not least in the US (you should watch "Gangs of New York"). We didn't get social-welfare, free accommodation or free healthcare or education back then - all things that asylum-seekers are getting. And we had to undergo compulsory health-screening - something the bleeding-hearts called "racist" when a FG candidate proposed it before the last GE. Bear that in mind before you make more false comparisons.