Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[Horace Horse]

I think it right to punish her for her transgression, what about her kids though? Any action taken against the woman is going to have an effect upon her children, who are Irish. .

They're not Irish.

[Horace Horse]

I stand corrected, their status at this time precludes that. However as the girls have spent a substantial period of time here, they could be considered as Irish as anyone else.

"Could be considered"?

Only by idiots such as Clanrickard!

[Alterego]

Catalpa: I hear what you are saying but these kids while innocent are being used by their Mother on which to make a claim based on a Fraud on the backs of the Irish People.

I understand this might be the case, but whatever happens now - the kids will be affected, and that is my concern. They are the victims in this and the only sensible way to deal with this debacle now is to grant them asylum and citizenship. But there should be a thorough investigation into how this occurred in the first place, like you've hinted below there are too many unanswered questions and there are most definitely players behind the curtains.

It is also highly probable IMO that these Gangs have paid agents in this Country amongst the 'cheerleaders' and maybe even within the legal profession too.

And perhaps even within political circles.

[FutureTaoiseach]

I understand this might be the case, but whatever happens now - the kids will be affected, and that is my concern. They are the victims in this and the only sensible way to deal with this debacle now is to grant them asylum and citizenship. But there should be a thorough investigation into how this occurred in the first place, like you've hinted below there are too many unanswered questions and there are most definitely players behind the curtains.

If we are to avoid more children being dislocated from their home countries in the name of furthering someone elses bogus asylum-claim, then it is imperative that PI and her children be returned to their home countries. What you also have to remember is the reason they have been here 4 yrs - the mother's endless legal-challenges to her deportation - 20 times in the HC according to the counsel representing the State. We can't afford to send out the message that if you engage in such vexatious behaviour with forged documentation that the State will reward you with leave-to-remain. Precedent means we cannot treat this case as a special one. Like it or not, it will be seen as precedent in the developing-world for how to ripoff the taxpayer and the State and get rewarded for it. 80% of the world's population live in the Third World, and so the potential cost the State would incur in the longterm if even a small % of them were encouraged by this case would be intolerable, not least when we already have a €20 billion deficit.

[Alterego]

If we are to avoid more children being dislocated from their home countries in the name of furthering someone elses bogus asylum-claim, then it is imperative that PI and her children be returned to their home countries. What you also have to remember is the reason they have been here 4 yrs - the mother's endless legal-challenges to her deportation - 20 times in the HC according to the counsel representing the State. We can't afford to send out the message that if you engage in such vexatious behaviour with forged documentation that the State will reward you with leave-to-remain. Precedent means we cannot treat this case as a special one. Like it or not, it will be seen as precedent in the developing-world for how to ripoff the taxpayer and the State and get rewarded for it. 80% of the world's population live in the Third World, and so the potential cost the State would incur in the longterm if even a small % of them were encouraged by this case would be intolerable, not least when we already have a €20 billion deficit.

In which case sanction the advocates and those who supported her within political circles. Make them less eager and perhaps a lot more responsible for their decisions. This will have a knock on effect and will circumvent the perception that Ireland is an easy target. Do not punish the children, for that is what you will be doing.

[Clanrickard]

It is also highly probable IMO that these Gangs have paid agents in this Country amongst the 'cheerleaders' and maybe even within the legal profession too.

Only in the fevered mind of a nitwit like yourself. That is stupid and baseless comment to make. To suggest people who have given support to this woman are in league with snakeheads is yet another slur. Cop yourself on.

[Odyessus]

Only in the fevered mind of a nitwit like yourself. That is stupid and baseless comment to make. To suggest people who have given support to this woman are in league with snakeheads is yet another slur. Cop yourself on.

Of course they are not in league with people smugglers, but they are regarded as useful idiots.

[Trampas]

If we are to avoid more children being dislocated from their home countries in the name of furthering someone elses bogus asylum-claim, then it is imperative that PI and her children be returned to their home countries. What you also have to remember is the reason they have been here 4 yrs - the mother's endless legal-challenges to her deportation - 20 times in the HC according to the counsel representing the State. We can't afford to send out the message that if you engage in such vexatious behaviour with forged documentation that the State will reward you with leave-to-remain. Precedent means we cannot treat this case as a special one. Like it or not, it will be seen as precedent in the developing-world for how to ripoff the taxpayer and the State and get rewarded for it. 80% of the world's population live in the Third World, and so the potential cost the State would incur in the longterm if even a small % of them were encouraged by this case would be intolerable, not least when we already have a €20 billion deficit.

That post just about sums it up, but is anybody listening ?

[FutureTaoiseach]

Apologies for saying it appeared before the HC 20 times - it's actually 23 times.

THE controversial case of Pamela Izevbekhai has now appeared 23 times before the courts here.
Lawyers have represented the State in 20 of those hearings with the legal costs so far reckoned to be about €400,000.
The case will be raised at least twice more in the Supreme Court and heard in the European Court of Human Justice in Strasbourg before the legal arguments over her proposed deportation to Nigeria are completed.
She has been fighting the case through the High Court and Supreme Court since January 2006 after she was informed her application for asylum was refused.
Last week the Irish Independent disclosed that members of the Garda national immigration bureau had obtained affidavits showing that her claim that an obstetrician at a hospital in Lagos had delivered her baby, Elizabeth in February 1993 and had treated her before she died from complications after female circumcision were false.

[Horace Horse]

I understand this might be the case, but whatever happens now - the kids will be affected, and that is my concern. They are the victims in this and the only sensible way to deal with this debacle now is to grant them asylum and citizenship. But there should be a thorough investigation into how this occurred in the first place.

Pray tell us what there is to investigate? This woman's story? But that's been discredited.

The efficiency of the Irish asylum system? But the delays were caused by our system allowing appeals.

Should we stop permitting appeals in asylum cases?

No, but we should only entertain such appeals once the appellant has left the state. That would avoid the spurious pretext advanced by thicks such as Clanrickard, that the children have become attached to our country.