Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[corelli]

Ok then we should bring the border checks back again in Ireland?? We shouldnt allow northern ireland people to work up here, we shouldnt shop down there??

I said regulate borders properly in the context of illegal immigrants. Nothing to do with shopping or allowing fellow members of the EU work in respective jurisdictions. Your conflagrating this into something it is not.

And,yes, as a serious amount of illegal immigration comes via the border with NI, I would institute border immigration checks. If you take the Dublin Belfast train you will notice it happens at Dundalk already.

[selfemployedmar]

I said regulate borders properly in the context of illegal immigrants. Nothing to do with shopping or allowing fellow members of the EU work in respective jurisdictions. Your conflagrating this into something it is not.

And,yes, as a serious amount of illegal immigration comes via the border with NI, I would institute border immigration checks. If you take the Dublin Belfast train you will notice it happens at Dundalk already.

Yup the bully boy immigration guys are there, I have seen them in action..They are a credit to us

[selfemployedmar]

I was being sarcastic, lets frighten people who try to make a better life, lets terrorise them, lets make them feel less valuable in our society

[b.a. baracus]

Poor woman will prob get deported and we will have all the bar flys, who never worked anyway, and claimed every benefit, saying honestly those foreigners stealing our jobs and taking benefits and " us the taxpaper funding them" " and her using falsifed documents " " we the irish never did that" I love this countries hypocrits......

And our Irish bar flies who have been screwing the system havent????

I dont like to dismiss kids but I have a few myself that talk more sense than Horace

Learn to spell.
Some Irish people are wasters and we all know that. Your conclusion that this is a perfectly acceptable rationale for having an asylum system which allows scammers come here is preposterous.

[selfemployedmar]

Learn to spell.
Some Irish people are wasters and we all know that. Your conclusion that this is a perfectly acceptable rationale for having an asylum system which allows scammers come here is preposterous.

Do look up the dictionary on your last spelling typo....

[FutureTaoiseach]

I was being sarcastic, lets frighten people who try to make a better life, lets terrorise them, lets make them feel less valuable in our society

If they want a better life let them use legal channels such as work-permit applications to try to do so. Otherwise they are illegals and should be deported. Control of a state's borders is an integral part of being a sovereign-state, and those who defy our restrictions on entry are impinging on Irish sovereignty and our right to decide who may and may not come here. Noone has the right to take it upon themselves to violate the laws of another state, and clearly, the use of forged-documentation constitutes that.

On your question about border-checks with NI, I actually do favour checkpoints and indeed a fence there. It would not mean you can't shop or work on the other side of the border - those who can provide ID to prove they are legit should be allowed through. Bogus asylum-seekers who cannot prove they are legal-migrants should be turned back at the border if they try to cross into the 26 counties. The govt stated some time ago that are 97% of asylum-seekers down here are getting here across the border with NI. I know Minister Dermot Ahern has said there won't be border-controls with NI, but he should reconsider, given the potential to save the taxpayer hundreds of millions (asylum already costs around €350 million per annum).

Imho, Judge John Murray should not have granted this woman's application for yet another delay.

[corelli]

Will an Irish court accept affidavits from Nigeria? Will the Irish state investigate the bona fides of these affidavits to the same extent as it investigated PI's documents? Can it square the testimony of Boucher-Hayes with the currrent testimony of the doctor, along with the evidence of the staff who say the doctor was 'visited' by the Nigerian army?

There are still many questions. Given the special interest of the Nigerian government, these should not be lightly glossed over. It is also a good reason to allow the case to continue to the ECtHR.

"an Irish doctor with experience in Nigeria had made a sworn statement that she believed Ms Izevbekhai's daughters would not be safe from FGM if returned to Nigeria. The doctor said she believed there would be no protection from the state against FGM as the police force there was under resourced and corruption and bribery was rife."

The Supreme Court counsidered the documents and have heard submissions on the matter from the States Counsel. They have accepted them as evidence. It is for Pamela's lawyers or herself to provide evidence at the next sitting to substantiate her claim.

One presumes the court received sworn affidavits from the Gardai and Diplomats who investigated the matter in Nigeria as well as from the "real" Doctor.

[corelli]

If they want a better life let them use legal channels such as work-permit applications to try to do so. Otherwise they are illegals and should be deported. Control of a state's borders is an integral part of being a sovereign-state, and those who defy our restrictions on entry are impinging on Irish sovereignty and our right to decide who may and may not come here. Noone has the right to take it upon themselves to violate the laws of another state, and clearly, the use of forged-documentation constitutes that.

On your question about border-checks with NI, I actually do favour checkpoints and indeed a fence there. It would not mean you can't shop or work on the other side of the border - those who can provide ID to prove they are legit should be allowed through. Bogus asylum-seekers who cannot prove they are legal-migrants should be turned back at the border if they try to cross into the 26 counties. The govt stated some time ago that are 97% of asylum-seekers down here are getting here across the border with NI. I know Minister Dermot Ahern has said there won't be border-controls with NI, but he should reconsider, given the potential to save the taxpayer hundreds of millions (asylum already costs around €350 million per annum).

Imho, Judge John Murray should not have granted this woman's application for yet another delay.

It's not a "delay". Its natural justice to allow someone to reply to new documents\evidence. People might hold Pamela a negative light but justice is blind and natural justice applies to those who are held in some odium as well as those not. Its even more important in this instance that justice be seen to be done.

[jmcc]

Will an Irish court accept affidavits from Nigeria? Will the Irish state investigate the bona fides of these affidavits to the same extent as it investigated PI's documents? Can it square the testimony of Boucher-Hayes with the currrent testimony of the doctor, along with the evidence of the staff who say the doctor was 'visited' by the Nigerian army?

Boucher-Hayes has a major credibility problem. The Garda investigation was satisfied that the individual Boucher-Hayes spoke to was not the doctor that they interviewed in person. Boucher-Hayes apparently never verified the identity of the individual that he interviewed. Boucher-Hayes' testimony is not credible. Boucher-Hayes' credibility as an "investigative" journalist may well be a casualty of this fiasco.

The State has filed four affidavits that seek to show that the State was 'fundamentally misled'. That is legalese for 'lied to'. The original PI legal team has withdrawn because of the forged documents. The State is now seeking to have PI's appeal dismissed.

Regards...jmcc

[FutureTaoiseach]

It's not a "delay". Its natural justice to allow someone to reply to new documents\evidence. People might hold Pamela a negative light but justice is blind and natural justice applies to those who are held in some odium as well as those not. Its even more important in this instance that justice be seen to be done.

All these delays add up until an asylum-seeker can use elapsed time and all that implies e.g. children in schools, as a grounds for leave to remain in this country. 4 years is long enough. Deport her.