Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

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They should never have been allowed to stay but they have been here for a number of years so the humanitarian thing is to let them stay. These girls call Ireland home. Inflicting misery on them by returning them to a country they don't know is not going make an iota of difference. We can't take every one in who claims to be in danger or barbaric practices but if they are here let them stay. The amount will be small. Visibly kick out the liars and make sure all cases are looked into and decided within a reasonably length of time like say 5 months. If it drags on kids get settled. If they are here longer than 3 years let them stay as long as they get a job and behave themselves.

*shock!* has someone with a brain and some compassion started posting under this name????

[Chrisco]

I would ask the following question -
What is an asylum seeker and why do they seek asylum?

I do not agree with lying and deception in seeking asylum so I am definitely against the current applicant succeeding, if her claims have been falsified.

However, look at the world today, who would seek asylum now.... Iraqis, Sudanese, Burmese, etc. etc. Why have we a large number of Nigerians and very few of those in conflict zones or famine areas?

I would argue that non Nigerians may seek asylum, sure, but may go to countries other than Ireland, for example, Moroccans and Tunisians might choose France from the colonial heritage. etc. But Nigeria is a former English colony, so why do they not go there first? ... hmmmm maybe the UK is too clued in and doesn't offer the same supports.

The amount of Nigerians claiming asylum here amazes me in comparison to those from other countries in conflict zones where all the populace is in danger man woman and child.

That is why I am suspicious of Nigerian asysum seekers. I do not believe their lives are in that much danger that they cannot go to a neighbouring African State or even England.

But would that move give them what they want?

Someone please tell me why, if Ireland is such a soft touch, we haven't had swathes of Iraqis, Afghanis etc. Can they afford it, or do they want it?

Ireland actually has a long history of engagement with Nigeria, particularly as a result of the work done by Irish Catholic missionaries, and by Nigerians' fondness for Guinness (Nigeria is the third-largest market for it in the world), and in the 1960s Irish people were known for carrying the 'Guinness passport', because of the harp on the front. So it is no surprise at all that Ireland has a higher profile there than in other parts. You also need to remember that on top of that Nigeria is the most populous nation in Africa, with a population of around 150,000,000 people. Of this 150,000,000 Ireland got 1,000 Nigerian asylum applications last year.

While I do not approve of the abuse of the asylum process as it undermines the cause of those genuinely in need, at the same time Nigeria is a total sh1thole, and who can blame Nigerians for resorting to all sorts of scams to forge a better life for themselves and their children.

I cannot say that under the circumstances I wouldn't do the same thing, and I suspect that hand on heart neither could you.

[scratchnsniff]

They should never have been allowed to stay but they have been here for a number of years so the humanitarian thing is to let them stay. These girls call Ireland home. Inflicting misery on them by returning them to a country they don't know is not going make an iota of difference. We can't take every one in who claims to be in danger or barbaric practices but if they are here let them stay. The amount will be small. Visibly kick out the liars and make sure all cases are looked into and decided within a reasonably length of time like say 5 months. If it drags on kids get settled. If they are here longer than 3 years let them stay as long as they get a job and behave themselves.

I absolutaly support this, These children should not be punished whatever their mother may have done.
The govt need to take a lesson from this, the whole process needs to be speeded up especialy where children are involved. But you simply must not punish these kids now no matter how unpleasent the mothers behavior, that would be utterly uncivilized and cruel.

[corelli]

I absolutaly support this, These children should not be punished whatever their mother may have done.
The govt need to take a lesson from this, the whole process needs to be speeded up especialy where children are involved. But you simply must not punish these kids now no matter how unpleasent the mothers behavior, that would be utterly uncivilized and cruel.

I cant agree with that, I am afraid. You cannot reward people for abusing the system. It, in my view, is as simple as that.

[TradCat]

They should never have been allowed to stay but they have been here for a number of years so the humanitarian thing is to let them stay. These girls call Ireland home. Inflicting misery on them by returning them to a country they don't know is not going make an iota of difference. We can't take every one in who claims to be in danger or barbaric practices but if they are here let them stay. The amount will be small. Visibly kick out the liars and make sure all cases are looked into and decided within a reasonably length of time like say 5 months. If it drags on kids get settled. If they are here longer than 3 years let them stay as long as they get a job and behave themselves.

I'd be happy to let this family stay in exchange for a procedure that settled all cases to finality within five months. But that's not on offer. What is likely to happen is severe pressure on the government to cave in thereby ensuring that the next bunch of scammers will consider a similar strategy.

If we let one liar stay we are inviting all the liars to have a go and we would be fools to do that.

[Clanrickard]

I cant agree with that, I am afraid. You cannot reward people for abusing the system. It, in my view, is as simple as that.

We are talking about small kids here. They don't know anything about a system or its abuse. What is the point in sending small children to live in a country they don't know or have never been? To appease the "foreigners out" lobby? To appease the rednecks that crawl out of the swamp whenever words like asylum, foreigner, refugee, immigrant are mentioned? To stand up for a principle? I have 3 kids all under 8. I would lie cheat, steal if I was desperate enough to help them, as would any parent. By all means punish the parent but punishing the kids as well is simply wrong.

[lovelytackle]

I would ask the following question -
What is an asylum seeker and why do they seek asylum?

I do not agree with lying and deception in seeking asylum so I am definitely against the current applicant succeeding, if her claims have been falsified.

However, look at the world today, who would seek asylum now.... Iraqis, Sudanese, Burmese, etc. etc. Why have we a large number of Nigerians and very few of those in conflict zones or famine areas?

I would argue that non Nigerians may seek asylum, sure, but may go to countries other than Ireland, for example, Moroccans and Tunisians might choose France from the colonial heritage. etc. But Nigeria is a former English colony, so why do they not go there first? ... hmmmm maybe the UK is too clued in and doesn't offer the same supports.

The amount of Nigerians claiming asylum here amazes me in comparison to those from other countries in conflict zones where all the populace is in danger man woman and child.

That is why I am suspicious of Nigerian asysum seekers. I do not believe their lives are in that much danger that they cannot go to a neighbouring African State or even England.

But would that move give them what they want?

Someone please tell me why, if Ireland is such a soft touch, we haven't had swathes of Iraqis, Afghanis etc. Can they afford it, or do they want it?

An asylum seeker is someone who seeks to be recognised as a refugee. A refugee is technically described in the refugee act. It requires a number of conditions to qualify as a refugee. In this woman's case, her claim was considered incredible and there was a finding that in circumstances where she could relocate within her country of origin (150m pax), that precludes her from attaining refugee status.

The reason why we don't get many of the Burmese refugees, Somali, Sudanese etc. is because the vast majority of genuine refugees cannot afford to pay thousands to traffickers to get them to Ireland on false documents. The majority of real refugees are in UNHCR camps living in tents. However, Iraq is one of Ireland's main source of asylum seekers.

The reason there are so many Nigerian asylum seekers is mainly because they are seeking a back door into Europe via our immigration system.

[Kevin Doyle]

We are talking about small kids here. They don't know anything about a system or its abuse. What is the point in sending small children to live in a country they don't know or have never been? To appease the "foreigners out" lobby? To appease the rednecks that crawl out of the swamp whenever words like asylum, foreigner, refugee, immigrant are mentioned? To stand up for a principle? I have 3 kids all under 8. I would lie cheat, steal if I was desperate enough to help them, as would any parent. By all means punish the parent but punishing the kids as well is simply wrong.

+1 Agreed.

[TradCat]

I have 3 kids all under 8. I would lie cheat, steal if I was desperate enough to help them, as would any parent. By all means punish the parent but punishing the kids as well is simply wrong.

But you wouldn't teach them that lying, cheating and stealing were okay. How we handle this case will show how we feel about it. And the lesson will be learned in Nigeria and elsewhere.

[asset test]

While I do not approve of the abuse of the asylum process as it undermines the cause of those genuinely in need, at the same time Nigeria is a total sh1thole, and who can blame Nigerians for resorting to all sorts of scams to forge a better life for themselves and their children.

I cannot say that under the circumstances I wouldn't do the same thing, and I suspect that hand on heart neither could you.[/QUOTE]

Ireland is not doing too good at the moment either. But if I needed to get a better life for my family I would apply for a working visa, for example if I want to go to Canada, Australia etc. to work to keep my family fed and my bills paid that is what I would do. If I don't qualify for a work visa I am not allowed in, except on a restricted tourist visa.

What will I do when I am not allowed in to these countries for lack of relevant skills?

Do you think I would claim asylum?