Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[FutureTaoiseach]

It's an acceptable/legitimate ground to claim here too! Absolutely it is. And rightly so. But you HAVE TO PROVE YOU ARE PERSONALLY AT RISK.

Pamela has not proved her children are personally at risk. Leaving out of it altogether the fake document issue, she has never substantiated her claim to the satisfaction of either the RAC/RAT, Minister or the High Court.

What more do you want? A decision taken by the local Resident's Against Racism committee?

More like national (they only have 5 members).

[Kevin Doyle]

If FGM were the real reason, rather than economic factors, why didn't we have thousads of asylum-seekers in the 1980's? It's economic-migration through illegal immigration.

Also on the FGM issue and the condemnation of the supposedly widespread practice of FGM in countries like Nigeria, I would like to know how supporters of multiculturalism reconcile this attitude with their belief that all cultures are equal and that the State should be neutral between them? Are you saying that Nigerian culture is worse than Irish culture, and if so, does that make you racist?

Jesus, the fallacious nonsense is becoming incredibly tiresome.

FGM is not a custom exclusive to any nationality, race or religion.

To condemn its practice cannot in any way be considered racist. It’s incredible the convoluted positions people temporarily adopt in order not to have the central premise of their arguement compromised. Its akin to trying to reason with a disaffected toddler.

Wasn't it you who claimed that FGM was only practiced in the Muslim north a few pages back?

[corelli]

Its a stupid question.

Should FGM be grounds to claim asylum? Yes, as it is in many other EU countries.

Should every child who arrives here from Nigeria be given asylum? No, why should they?

The lack of ability of some to even consider this objectively is worrying.

I don't care what uni-dimensional universe you occupy but I quite frankly want nothing to do with it.

So if, as you assert, every child from Nigeria should not be given asylum, why are you so insistent that these children should not be sent back? Pamela has not proved her children are more at risk of the practice than the general population of Nigeria. She has merely made assertions, without proof. You have already stated that you, no more than I, don't know exactly where the truth lies. I fail to see the logic in particularly supporting this particular family over others here who also had a claim on the basis of FGM.

[Odyessus]

Whatever it took, as would you if you had children.

Incidentally, what’s the position of the Father on this?

Whatever it took would have been a plane ride from Lagos to London, which the father often visits and lives in on business.

[Tiernanator]

Excellent post

I agree especially the part about a prison sentence. How many years for wasting so much of Irish people's hard earned taxes?

[FutureTaoiseach]

Jesus, the fallacious nonsense is becoming incredibly tiresome.

FGM is not a custom exclusive to any nationality, race or religion.

To condemn its practice cannot in any way be considered racist. It’s incredible the convoluted positions people temporarily adopt in order not to have the central premise of their arguement compromised. Its akin to trying to reason with a disaffected toddler.

Wasn't it you who claimed that FGM was only practiced in the Muslim north a few pages back?

Well if the multiculturalists claim that all cultures are equally valid then they have to accept that that includes Nigerian culture. Personally, I abhore FGM, but regard the multiculturalists as hypocritical for criticising Nigerian culture while supporting allowing Nigerians to remain in Ireland in the name of multiculturalism - which is one argument the liberals use on asylum-generally.

I note you haven't answered my other question. Why weren't they coming here in the 1980s?

[Kevin Doyle]

It's an acceptable/legitimate ground to claim here too!

You know what, I wasn't aware of that. At least that shuts up the precedent brigade on the grounds of allow asylum for FGM. According to them Nigeria should now be practically empty with Ireland being trampled under the heels of Nigerians.

In any case, I haven’t seen any evident forwarded by anyone to suggest these children will be safe upon their deportation to Nigeria. In fact, given the level f publicity this case has attracted both here and internationally, I suspect their well being is in even greater danger
.

[Eorna]

Kevin you say, that the possibility that the kids may be in danger may exist in Nigeria.

It is also a possibility that they may be in danger here as well, so it might be in their interest to leave Ireland as well.

We can all play a game of half truths, and base our arguments on the possibility that some nutjob in Nigeria, may be angry at Pamela, for dragging his country name through the mud. As a socialist, I am not going to dictate how another country should manage its own affairs or deal with issues that arise from a religious practice in one half of its country.

[Kevin Doyle]

Whatever it took would have been a plane ride from Lagos to London, which the father often visits and lives in on business.

I thought the father was deported from the UK?

[HollyB]

So if, as you assert, every child from Nigeria should not be given asylum, why are you so insistent that these children should not be sent back? Pamela has not proved her children are more at risk of the practice than the general population of Nigeria. She has merely made assertions, without proof. You have already stated that you, no more than I, don't know exactly where the truth lies. I fail to see the logic in particularly supporting this particular family over others here who also had a claim on the basis of FGM.

Given that Naomi and Jemima are daughters of parents who are opposed to the practice and who have the means to relocate, if necessary, and since they don't seem to be members of a tribe, wouldn't they be at less risk than other Nigerian girls whose parents approve of the practice or who are members of a tribe that would force it on them?

As far as the alleged risk from the in-laws is concerned, if the extended Izevbekhai family are as powerful and as determined as Pamela has claimed, it surprises me that no attempt on their part to abduct the girls from Ireland has been reported. It is well-publicized that they live at Globe House in Sligo, and I doubt that there are so many primary schools in the vicinity that determined kidnappers could not snatch the girls (whose faces aren't even blurred when their pictures are published - I'd keep their faces out of the media if they were my daughters and I had reason to believe that they were at risk!) if they wanted to.