Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[selfemployedmar]

I am against racism, HW, and am merely calling for the law to be enforced and the available Dublin Convention to be used. Her children would not face FGM in Holland from where she claimed to enter Ireland, nor Britain. You are wrong that she can't be sent to the UK - if she came here via NI after entering the UK on a holiday visa then we may be able to send her there. I feel sorry for the children because their mother is using them to try to emotionally blackmail us into letting her stay, at the cost of their being uprooted from their native culture. If an Irish citizen admitted to a court to using forged-documents, their credibility would be shattered in the eyes of a judge. Comparisons with Irish emigration are bogus because the country of origin has 35 times our population whereas Ireland has around 1.5% of the population of the US, and most Irish emigrants went their legally, spoke the language and unlike PI, were fleeing famine. The people who are bringing up her ethnicity are her supporters, not me.

What you are saying in relation to the Irish Immigrants is not true

Re PostingOriginally Posted by jmcc
Yes but that would completely destroy the myth that many of these people are asylum seekers rather than economic migrants who may be purely targeting the social welfare system. That's the difference that you don't appear to understand. The Irish people who went to the US in the 1980s went there to work rather than for the social welfare benefits. What would you say to implementing your idea but without the rights to social welfare or state support?

Regards...jmcc

The people on the run from the NI troubles were seeking asylum..and got the right to work and live there which came in the form of an amnestity. Irish American Lawyers worked around the legalities on this, knowing that a lot of the names were alias and documents were falsified. There were a huge amount of them and quite a few with dodgy backgrounds, so dont be fooled by this. Irish girls had babies out there and did draw on welfare, this was given to the Irish Catholic Charities, they also opened a hospital in Manhattan so that the Irish Illegals get medical help, and opened clinics in various burrows, so that the Irish kids could be immunised.
The Irish started a movement called the Irish Immigrant Group which called on our Irish TD.s etc to help lobby congress for change and more benefits for the Irish.
You dont seem to understand that the Irish in the USA in particular have done exactly what this lady did..So I refuse to sit in judgement, she comes from a corrupt country and to make a better life for herself took courage to go to those extremes..

[hopi watcher]

Agreed. People use the term Nazi far too much. They should od a bit od research and find out what REAL Nazis were like.

The point is Louie that Nazism flourished because good people kept their heads down. Now we wouldn't want that happening again, would we? Let's give the two kids a break.

[jmcc]

Say's he who is elsewhere advocating that social welfare payments should be cut. Want to hear what Nazi's felt about welfare programmes?

So not only are you content to call FutureTaoiseach a Nazi and me the last PD standing, you have to try to smear those who question your endless gullibility and singled minded dedication to this cause du jour?

The question on that thread was about which single budget proposal is likely to bring down the government. I posted that it would be not cutting the social welfare benefits properly. You claimed that I never expanded on my statements. So I did. This is what I wrote:
"It will be justified like this: The cost of living decreases and therefore there is a lower requirement for certain types of social welfare. Not that I agree with such reasoning. I think that an obvious target will be social welfare paid to support children outside the state. That would potentially save millions. However if FF decides not to reduce that and instead concentrate on cutting benefits that directly affect Irish people then it will cause problems for its own backbenchers and they may be convinced to either cross the floor or vote with the opposition as independents."

Now you are probably more familiar with the social welfare policies of the Nazis than any of us on this thread given the way you seek to impose the will of a small clique on the people of Ireland. Perhaps you can explain their policies for us. And as an extra, can you explain who is going to pay for all these millions of immigrants that you would seek to admit?

Regards...jmcc

[Kevin Doyle]

And the difference between Nigeria & Somalia is the same as the difference between Nigeria & Croatia. Should we be saving Croatians too ?

Do Croatians mutilate the gentilia of 25%-40% of their female population?

You are conflating two entirely seperate issues, but I'm sure you knew that.

Here's what the US State Department has to say on Nigeria

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/84309.pdf
According to the U.S. State Department,corruption in Nigeria is “massive, widespread, and pervasive.” Nigeria ranks 142 out of 163 countries on Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions.

[hopi watcher]

And as an extra, can you explain who is going to pay for all these millions of immigrants that you would seek to admit?

Regards...jmcc

Why would it be necessary to make such an explanation,we are talking about a mother and her two daughters. Don't be so hysterical.

[sandar]

No one is denying Nigeria is an awful country, but simply being from MNigeria does not make one entitled to asylum, and thats the substyance of your argument now Kevin.
Those from Nigeruia who have a genuine and legitimate fear of persecution are entitled to asylum, she has shown no real evidence(jmnust forged evidence0 that she is in real and specific danger.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Selfemployedmar, they were a minority of the Irish emigrants to the US if you start the clock in the 19th century, so I stand over what I said, and do not approve of such behaviour as cited by you. In the 19th century, there was no sw-system, free healthcare/education and we were allowed in legally. I note you don't dispute my relative population-size point.

[selfemployedmar]

Selfemployedmar, they were a minority of the Irish emigrants to the US if you start the clock in the 19th century, so I stand over what I said, and do not approve of such behaviour as cited by you. In the 19th century, there was no sw-system, free healthcare/education and we were allowed in legally. I note you don't dispute my relative population-size point.

Minority my eye, give me a break I lived there, ( they were underground! )...as I said before it takes extreme reasons to do what she did..We cant sit in judgement and ask our illegals in USA to be treated any differently than her. If we do then we are arrogant hypocrits

[Odyessus]

According to Amnesty International, threat of FGM is grounds for asylum in Britain, U.S. and Austria.
Have those countries been swamped by asylum applications?

Quit the hysterical scaremongering.

So why then did PI not apply in the U.K.? She and her family had visas for the U.K. and could fly directly to London from Nigeria.

Instead we are expected to believe that she flew to Holland (why not apply there?) then had herself smuggled into Ireland (she can't quite explain how or why) carefully avoiding the U.K. which she could legally enter, so she could claim asylum here.

If McDowell was still in office, he would probably describe this as a "cock and bull" story. He would be absolutely right.

[Horace Horse]

We often disagree on things and have argued on matters not related to this particular issue but I can safely say on this we are 100% in agreement.

Suffice to say I'd imagine the thing we have in common is that we are both fathers.

I'd say the thing you have in common is that you're both racists.

You hate Africans, and make wild and ugly claims that they are all corrupt etc.

Shame on you!