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I heard some barracks will be sold?
Any cuts in personel? and will the role of the reserve Gardai be increased if there is?
What cuts have been made to the defence forces & Gardai and what does it amount to?
I heard some barracks will be sold?
Any cuts in personel? and will the role of the reserve Gardai be increased if there is?
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Well, some barracks are to be closed, and St. Bricin's Military Hospital is to be closed.
I wonder at the benefit of closing St. Bricin's - presumably army patients will just be shunted onto the Mater or James's, with the HSE billing the Dept.of Defence.
I guess some efficiency savings may be made, but presumably at the cost of increasing the overcrowding in the civilian hospitals - something of a stealth deterioration in service, which is why the govt. is doing it, I imagine.
Not enough IMO - why not get rid completely of the "Defence Forces" - having them employed and paid to do nothing is equally efficient for us to unemploy them, pay them to do....nothing.
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According to the white paper
http://www.budget.gov.ie/2009/downlo...ePaper2009.pdf2008-----2009
20 Garda Síochána 1,505,072,000¦ ¦1,501,868,000
36 Defence 839,967,000¦ ¦817,454,000
So around 3.2m off gardai and 22.5m off defence.
€22.5, woah momma. Any breakdown on that? Seems odd to cut that while sending our boys off on peace keeping.Originally Posted by Seos
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The Navy should certainly be sustained, if not better equipped. Unlike the Army and Air 'force' the navy would seem well overworked patrolling for illigal fishing etc. Something 'constructive'.
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Good point - we could set that up as a coast guard and put it under Environment. If the rest went we could close Defence and kick out Willie - what a thought!
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the budget summary gives more info:
Budget - Department of Finance, Ireland: Budget documents
DEFENCE GROUP
Gross Expenditure for the Defence Group in 2009 is €1,061 million, a decrease of €27.1 million (€22 million Current and €5.1 million Capital) on the 2008 forecast outturn.
The current saving reflects the fact that most of the costs associated with the setting up of the EU military operation in Chad were incurred in 2008. The saving is partially offset by an increase of €18 million on the Army Pensions Vote arising inter alia from revised superannuation arrangements for Defence Forces personnel.
The detailed 2009 Estimates for this Group are set out at pages G.76 (Department of Defence) and G.78 (Army Pensions).I'm looking for the more detailed estimates that it mentions now....JUSTICE GROUP
Gross Expenditure for this Group of Votes, which includes the Department of Justice, Equality & Law Reform, An Garda Síochána and the Prisons and Courts Services, is €2,629.7 million in 2009, a decrease of €75.8 million (€76.3 million Current and an extra €0.5 million in capital) relative to the 2008 forecast outturn.
While the overall level of funding has been reduced, the Group of Votes will still be delivering on its key services:-
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capital expenditure of €156 million is being made available to fund the ongoing Courts and Prisons building programmes, a new State Pathology laboratory and the Garda National Digital Radio project;
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on the current side, funding is continuing to be provided for all existing programmes including services relating to equality, disability, asylum, probation, legal aid and an additional €10 million for the provision of speed cameras.
The detailed 2009 Estimates for these bodies are set out at pages G.45 to G.51.
So it's not really a cut, rather a projected saving based on what was spent this year?
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Wow, 1,061,000,000 to be spent on, well, nothing particularly useful. What a waste.Gross Expenditure for the Defence Group in 2009 is €1,061 million
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