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    Sham Marriages To Gain Residency In Ireland Why ?

    It has now been discovered that, politically and economically the department of justice have now discovered that majority of failled asylum seekers and student that have overstayed their student visa are now engaging in a sham marriages to stay in ireland given this anticident isn't it time for the department of justice to conduct investigation to rid all this clandestine immigration scumbags ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelcity
    It has now been discovered that, politically and economically the department of justice have now discovered that majority of failled asylum seekers and student that have overstayed their student visa are now engaging in a sham marriages to stay in ireland given this anticident isn't it time for the department of justice to conduct investigation to rid all this clandestine immigration scumbags ?

    no offence but you must have been living in a cave for the past 2 years in relation to this particular matter,

    the governing legislation is Directive 2004/38EC, ireland transposed it into domestic law under Regulation (free movement of persons) (no2) regulations 2006.

    in effort to prevent sham marriages regulation 3.2 of the irish version required non eu spouse to provide evidence of legal residence in another eu state prior to coming to ireland ie he or she would need to either have married eu citizen in their country and legally resided there for a while before moving over here, or just have legally resided in another state.

    this case caused huge problems,. case known as Kumar was brought to challenge this in the High Court in Summer of 2007, they lost, court favoured state. appealled to supreme court

    in the meantime since, july 2008 four irish cases were referred to europe and the ecj ruled that regualtion 3.2 is illegal. so yes as of now, illegals pretty much have a free reign. although i would imagine that state ask for plenty of details to be happy that the relationship prior to marriage and marriage itself are legit. eg letters from Private tenancy board and landlord, bank details etc

    so its back to the drawing boards, be interesting to see how busy (or not) the family law courts will be in 2-5 years. europe itself needs to change the law, uk and denmark seem to ally ireland on this.

    food for thought, the new immigration bill will require non nationals to also apply to the minister for permission to marry in ireland 3 months before marriage. failure equals invalid marriage. it clearly excludes marriage of asylum seekers (no not refugees) and illegals. instersting to see if it violates eu law and the constitution

    with regard to "majority" are engaging, i think that is way too much generalising, some marriages/relationships are genuine, kids and all, lenght of time here etc.

    as for sham marriages, its not like some irish people were never guilty of this to stay in etc usa, austrailia etc. irish here are just to blame, i am aware that there is a luctrative market for irish and other eu states members in marry non eu's for dosh.

    gnib are active in this area, but what do you want them to do, invade every home in the land? taking up valuable resources? wouldn't it be arbitary just to march in, without warrant to any home that has a foreign spouse?

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    Re: Sham Marriages To Gain Residency In Ireland Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by angelcity
    It has now been discovered that, politically and economically the department of justice have now discovered that majority of failled asylum seekers and student that have overstayed their student visa are now engaging in a sham marriages to stay in ireland given this anticident isn't it time for the department of justice to conduct investigation to rid all this clandestine immigration scumbags ?
    And they stole all the punctuation too the bastrsd$....

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrusgumble
    Quote Originally Posted by angelcity
    It has now been discovered that, politically and economically the department of justice have now discovered that majority of failled asylum seekers and student that have overstayed their student visa are now engaging in a sham marriages to stay in ireland given this anticident isn't it time for the department of justice to conduct investigation to rid all this clandestine immigration scumbags ?

    no offence but you must have been living in a cave for the past 2 years in relation to this particular matter,

    the governing legislation is Directive 2004/38EC, ireland transposed it into domestic law under Regulation (free movement of persons) (no2) regulations 2006.

    in effort to prevent sham marriages regulation 3.2 of the irish version required non eu spouse to provide evidence of legal residence in another eu state prior to coming to ireland ie he or she would need to either have married eu citizen in their country and legally resided there for a while before moving over here, or just have legally resided in another state.

    this case caused huge problems,. case known as Kumar was brought to challenge this in the High Court in Summer of 2007, they lost, court favoured state. appealled to supreme court

    in the meantime since, july 2008 four irish cases were referred to europe and the ecj ruled that regualtion 3.2 is illegal. so yes as of now, illegals pretty much have a free reign. although i would imagine that state ask for plenty of details to be happy that the relationship prior to marriage and marriage itself are legit. eg letters from Private tenancy board and landlord, bank details etc

    so its back to the drawing boards, be interesting to see how busy (or not) the family law courts will be in 2-5 years.

    food for thought, the new immigration bill will require non nationals to also apply to the minister for permission to marry in ireland 3 months before marriage. failure equals invalid marriage. it clearly excludes marriage of asylum seekers (no not refugees) and illegals. instersting to see if it violates eu law and the constitution


    with regard to "majority" are engaging, i think that is way too much generalising, some marriages/relationships are genuine, kids and all.
    Some of your content is indeed out of touch and angry in the context and the subject matter

    Well any immigrant must establish a profound relationship before they're granted residency in the state. we do realize that, there is a landmark case recently that struck down the virtue of residence relationship in another Eu country which was send to the department of justice via soft law anyway.

    50 % of this marriages are from Asian counties, namely Idian, pakistani, and bangladesh.

    10 % of those woman are basically from latvia accordig to the inis

    30 % Of those non-EU mentioned getting marriedto gain residency are actually failled asylum seekers ad student that has exceeded their student permit and overstayed in ireland, what a shamble.

    Fundamentally, non-national should be able to maintain and establish their status on the system but not to engage in a sham marriages to reamain it must be halt, not to even talk about FEOFEE with well profounds. thank you. L.O.L

    Keep talking.........

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    Re: Sham Marriages To Gain Residency In Ireland Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by angelcity
    50 % of this marriages are from Asian counties, namely Idian, pakistani, and bangladesh.
    Do these counties play in the GAA?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelcity
    10 % of those woman are basically from latvia accordig to the inis
    And the other 90% of the woman is from where? Venus?

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    Re: Sham Marriages To Gain Residency In Ireland Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BodyofEvidence
    Quote Originally Posted by angelcity
    50 % of this marriages are from Asian counties, namely Idian, pakistani, and bangladesh.
    Do these counties play in the GAA?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelcity
    10 % of those woman are basically from latvia accordig to the inis
    And the other 90% of the woman is from where? Venus?
    I think i am lost with the entire context, well keep talking and i think the subject should be locked by the administrator now! l.o.l

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    Re: Sham Marriages To Gain Residency In Ireland Why ?

    We are in this mess in part thanks to the ECJ striking down our laws requiring non-EU spouses of EU nationals to have had prior residency in another EU state. RTE has today reported some highly suspicious statistics on marriages of EU to non EU nationals registered here. 10% of them was to a Latvian, while 50% was to nationals of Pakistan/India/Bangladesh, with 4500 EU/Non-EU marriages since 2006. In addition, 30% of the non-EU spouses were asylum seekers or people on expired student-visas. These statistics are not likely to have occurred by chance, and tally with Jim Cusack's articles in the Indo on Latvian women getting thousands of euro from Pakistanis for contracting sham marriages for residency here. And it's another reason to get an optout from the Charter of Fundamental Rights which extends ECJ jurisdiction much further into areas of asylum, immigration and marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    We are in this mess in part thanks to the ECJ striking down our laws requiring non-EU spouses of EU nationals to have had prior residency in another EU state. RTE has today reported some highly suspicious statistics on marriages of EU to non EU nationals registered here. 10% of them was to a Latvian, while 50% was to nationals of Pakistan/India/Bangladesh, with 4500 EU/Non-EU marriages since 2006. In addition, 30% of the non-EU spouses were asylum seekers or people on expired student-visas. These statistics are not likely to have occurred by chance, and tally with Jim Cusack's articles in the Indo on Latvian women getting thousands of euro from Pakistanis for contracting sham marriages for residency here. And it's another reason to get an optout from the Charter of Fundamental Rights which extends ECJ jurisdiction much further into areas of asylum, immigration and marriage.
    busy fecker that latvian...

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    Re: Sham Marriages To Gain Residency In Ireland Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BodyofEvidence
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    We are in this mess in part thanks to the ECJ striking down our laws requiring non-EU spouses of EU nationals to have had prior residency in another EU state. RTE has today reported some highly suspicious statistics on marriages of EU to non EU nationals registered here. 10% of them was to a Latvian, while 50% was to nationals of Pakistan/India/Bangladesh, with 4500 EU/Non-EU marriages since 2006. In addition, 30% of the non-EU spouses were asylum seekers or people on expired student-visas. These statistics are not likely to have occurred by chance, and tally with Jim Cusack's articles in the Indo on Latvian women getting thousands of euro from Pakistanis for contracting sham marriages for residency here. And it's another reason to get an optout from the Charter of Fundamental Rights which extends ECJ jurisdiction much further into areas of asylum, immigration and marriage.
    busy fecker that latvian...
    And the ecj struck down the recent irish criterial just because of the autheticity of those non-eu that got married to the EU citizen to gain residency in question which does extend to their spouse under the fundamental charter extablishing the freedom in the european achepelagos.

    They maybe having a mens rae of getting married now and will be stocked up by permission from the justice minister by virtue of licence to extend such a sham marriages in the state so there you go. l.o.l

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    Re: Sham Marriages To Gain Residency In Ireland Why ?

    The european achepelagos.

    Where is this utopia of freedoms?

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