Prison visits?

[seabhcan]

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlqlmhgbey/

Why are prisoners allowed any physical contact with visitors? Surely if they were kept physically apart - with a glass wall for example - no drugs could enter the prison. I've heard stories of drugs being passed mouth to mouth when a visitor french kisses an inmate. Why are they allowed to get that close?

[bagel]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

[foxrockman]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in Irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

I totally agree with you Bagel.
Is it now time that we tackle crime and start boot-camps , prison appears to be a holiday camp instead of a reform institution .
I believe that if these people are made to work and learn discipline the numbers re admitted to our institutions would decrease .

Ah but the problem is the do gooders and the bleeding hearts out there telling us how deprived these people are etc etc and all the other nonsense excuses.

[seabhcan]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in Irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

I totally agree with you Bagel.
Is it now time that we tackle crime and start boot-camps , prison appears to be a holiday camp instead of a reform institution .
I believe that if these people are made to work and learn discipline the numbers re admitted to our institutions would decrease .

Ah but the problem is the do gooders and the bleeding hearts out there telling us how deprived these people are etc etc and all the other nonsense excuses.

Actually, I strongly disagree that simply making prisons tougher will improve anything. Prisons in the US are so tough that Norway, for example, has banned all extraditions to there. If tough prisons reduced crime then there would surely be little crime in the US.

What is needed is strong isolation to prevent drugs and mobiles getting in. But after that, they need education and training. Particularly in St Pats where they keep the scumbag children of grown up scumbags. These kids have their parents in "the joy" and see no future other than to join them there. The cycle needs to be broken.

[foxrockman]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in Irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

I totally agree with you Bagel.
Is it now time that we tackle crime and start boot-camps , prison appears to be a holiday camp instead of a reform institution .
I believe that if these people are made to work and learn discipline the numbers re admitted to our institutions would decrease .

Ah but the problem is the do gooders and the bleeding hearts out there telling us how deprived these people are etc etc and all the other nonsense excuses.

Actually, I strongly disagree that simply making prisons tougher will improve anything. Prisons in the US are so tough that Norway, for example, has banned all extraditions to there. If tough prisons reduced crime then there would surely be little crime in the US.

What is needed is strong isolation to prevent drugs and mobiles getting in. But after that, they need education and training. Particularly in St Pats where they keep the scumbag children of grown up scumbags. These kids have their parents in "the joy" and see no future other than to join them there. The cycle needs to be broken.

I agree and that is why I suggest boot camps to instill discipline into the guys who go astray

[seabhcan]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in Irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

I totally agree with you Bagel.
Is it now time that we tackle crime and start boot-camps , prison appears to be a holiday camp instead of a reform institution .
I believe that if these people are made to work and learn discipline the numbers re admitted to our institutions would decrease .

Ah but the problem is the do gooders and the bleeding hearts out there telling us how deprived these people are etc etc and all the other nonsense excuses.

Actually, I strongly disagree that simply making prisons tougher will improve anything. Prisons in the US are so tough that Norway, for example, has banned all extraditions to there. If tough prisons reduced crime then there would surely be little crime in the US.

What is needed is strong isolation to prevent drugs and mobiles getting in. But after that, they need education and training. Particularly in St Pats where they keep the scumbag children of grown up scumbags. These kids have their parents in "the joy" and see no future other than to join them there. The cycle needs to be broken.

I agree and that is why I suggest boot camps to instill discipline into the guys who go astray

Is it really disipline that they lack? I went to school with these kinds of lads (from Moyross mainly) and I think their problem is more not knowing how to interact with the world except through crime drugs and prison. Their parents and grand parents have spent half their lives inside and no-one in their family has ever had a job.

This is my slightly daft solution:

Set up in-prison factories for real products to be sold outside. Train them how to do the line work, the low level management, etc etc (with a strong emphasis on any basic skills they lack) Pay them a reasonable wage or fraction of any profits but lodge it into an Escrow account. Deduct any fines or victim compensation they owe. When they get out, they get weekly payments from the account (but obviously no dole while it lasts) if they reoffend, they forfit the money. There should also be tax breaks for employers that take them on when they get out, and the prison term should be dependent on them achieving certain educational or developmental tasks.

[Timeisshort]

"Set up in-prison factories for real products to be sold outside." Could easily see this turning into a Prison For Profit Scheme. I could also see it having a negative effect on those law abiding low paid citizens who would produce those goods in the first place.

The problems are varied and complex. I think about 80% of the prison population are in there for drug offences, and somehow I can't see them working on assembly line for a pittance when they know they can earn much more from the cocaine trade.

If we are serious about this we need to take a serious look at our drug laws, and start to take an adult approach towards decriminalization. I have lost many childhood friends due to the drug problem. If systems were in place were they could obtain a clean uncontaminated product and some support many of those life could have been saved.

Instead they were given Methadone treatment which is more addictive than the Heroin they had become addicted to in the first place. However I doubt any real action will ever be taken on this issue at government level, as the government gains too much from prohibition.

[Kevin Doyle]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in Irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

I totally agree with you Bagel.
Is it now time that we tackle crime and start boot-camps , prison appears to be a holiday camp instead of a reform institution .
I believe that if these people are made to work and learn discipline the numbers re admitted to our institutions would decrease .

Ah but the problem is the do gooders and the bleeding hearts out there telling us how deprived these people are etc etc and all the other nonsense excuses.

Actually, I strongly disagree that simply making prisons tougher will improve anything. Prisons in the US are so tough that Norway, for example, has banned all extraditions to there. If tough prisons reduced crime then there would surely be little crime in the US.

What is needed is strong isolation to prevent drugs and mobiles getting in. But after that, they need education and training. Particularly in St Pats where they keep the scumbag children of grown up scumbags. These kids have their parents in "the joy" and see no future other than to join them there. The cycle needs to be broken.

I agree and that is why I suggest boot camps to instill discipline into the guys who go astray

Why bother with the expense?

Just shoot them, in fact save money on the bullets and have them beheaded.

[Timeisshort]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in Irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

I totally agree with you Bagel.
Is it now time that we tackle crime and start boot-camps , prison appears to be a holiday camp instead of a reform institution .
I believe that if these people are made to work and learn discipline the numbers re admitted to our institutions would decrease .

Ah but the problem is the do gooders and the bleeding hearts out there telling us how deprived these people are etc etc and all the other nonsense excuses.

Actually, I strongly disagree that simply making prisons tougher will improve anything. Prisons in the US are so tough that Norway, for example, has banned all extraditions to there. If tough prisons reduced crime then there would surely be little crime in the US.

What is needed is strong isolation to prevent drugs and mobiles getting in. But after that, they need education and training. Particularly in St Pats where they keep the scumbag children of grown up scumbags. These kids have their parents in "the joy" and see no future other than to join them there. The cycle needs to be broken.

I agree and that is why I suggest boot camps to instill discipline into the guys who go astray

Why bother with the expense?

Just shoot them, in fact save money on the bullets and have them beheaded.

Hypothetical question for ya to test your conviction.

Your son or daughter goes to prison for a drug offense, and is considered by others as a scum bag, are you willing to shoot them or would you have someone else do it for ya?

[Kevin Doyle]

[quote=Timeisshort]

since the mid 80's the unofficial mission statement in Irish prisons has been to give inmates whatever they want, within reason , to keep them content;
no expense has been spared in doing so;
however, the dept of justice hasn't made the public aware of that and, even if it did, the public would probably choose to disbelieve it;
the dept of justice has always strove to focus all prison related attention on prison officers' overtime and the public has consistently taken the bait;
the present purported crackdown in prisons has its roots in our nation's inability to effectively deal with a few dozen gangland criminals;
as with prison officers' overtime, it is for public consumption;
don't be fooled by it.

I totally agree with you Bagel.
Is it now time that we tackle crime and start boot-camps , prison appears to be a holiday camp instead of a reform institution .
I believe that if these people are made to work and learn discipline the numbers re admitted to our institutions would decrease .

Ah but the problem is the do gooders and the bleeding hearts out there telling us how deprived these people are etc etc and all the other nonsense excuses.

Actually, I strongly disagree that simply making prisons tougher will improve anything. Prisons in the US are so tough that Norway, for example, has banned all extraditions to there. If tough prisons reduced crime then there would surely be little crime in the US.

What is needed is strong isolation to prevent drugs and mobiles getting in. But after that, they need education and training. Particularly in St Pats where they keep the scumbag children of grown up scumbags. These kids have their parents in "the joy" and see no future other than to join them there. The cycle needs to be broken.

I agree and that is why I suggest boot camps to instill discipline into the guys who go astray

Why bother with the expense?

Just shoot them, in fact save money on the bullets and have them beheaded.

Hypothetical question for ya to test your conviction.

Your son or daughter goes to prison for a drug offense, and is considered by others as a scum bag, are you willing to shoot them or would you have someone else do it for ya?[/quote:h75ahxw5]

Em.... I was being 'ironical'.... as they say in Wisconsin. Just taking the 'boot camp' strategy to its logical conclusion.