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    Criminal Court Ruling: Sex without a condom amounts to rape

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36697498.html


    A 31-year-old man has been jailed for three and a half years for the rape of a woman he was dating.

    The Central Criminal Court heard the woman had told the man she was not interested in sex without a condom but that he had penetrated her. The man stopped after she told him that he was raping her.

    So a sheath of Latex 0.08mm thick is enough to protect you from having a criminal record, career destroyed, and be on the sex offenders register.

    Note Julian Assange was retrospectively prosecuted in Sweden for rape by having consensual sex without a condom.
    Prior knowledge of sex without a condom means consent withdrawn. It equals rape in this country.

    Where is this going to lead?

    Mr Justice Butler noted the woman in her victim impact statement indicated she was in fear of the accused and afraid of him coming at her with a knife or sledgehammer. He said there had been no suggestion of any such violence or any violence at all other than the rape.

    Which implies that rape is somewhat elastic in definition. It depends on how the woman feels afterwards. If she "feels violated" emotionally - it's rape and the once upstanding gentleman is going to prison.

    Many women wouldn't feel violated in the above situation. They would just say stop and that would be that. They would go on to have a normal relationship with the male partner when boundaries are understood. And not having a man end up in prison.

    Edit:
    Later on in the discussion some posters do not like that I broke it down as follows:
    Sex without using prior agreed contraceptive device amounts to rape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier View Post
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    So a sheath of Latex 0.08mm thick is enough to protect you from having a criminal record, career destroyed, and be on the sex offenders register.

    Note Julian Assange was retrospectively prosecuted in Sweden for rape by having consensual sex without a condom.
    Prior knowledge of sex without a condom means consent withdrawn. It equals rape in this country.

    Where is this going to lead?




    Which implies that rape is somewhat elastic in definition. It depends on how the woman feels afterwards. If she "feels violated" emotionally - it's rape and the once upstanding gentleman is going to prison.

    Many women wouldn't feel violated in the above situation. They would just say stop and that would be that. They would go on to have a normal relationship with the male partner when boundaries are understood. And not having a man end up in prison.
    “was convicted by a Central Criminal Court jury”

    I wonder what the Court of Appeal will make of it.
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    He didn't have consent to have sex without a condom and he knew he didn't.

    Where's the confusion?
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    So both parties accepted she said no and then he penetrated her. So...rape. By any legislation in the world that’s rape.

    Well maybe not Afghanistan. What’s your problem statement? What’s your proposed solution exactly? That unwanted and clearly unwelcome penetration is deemed legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulp View Post
    He didn't have consent to have sex without a condom and he knew he didn't.

    Where's the confusion?
    It really is that simple. Just respect your partner's wishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier View Post
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36697498.html

    So a sheath of Latex 0.08mm thick is enough to protect you from having a criminal record, career destroyed, and be on the sex offenders register.

    Note Julian Assange was retrospectively prosecuted in Sweden for rape by having consensual sex without a condom.
    Prior knowledge of sex without a condom means consent withdrawn. It equals rape in this country.

    Where is this going to lead?

    Which implies that rape is somewhat elastic in definition. It depends on how the woman feels afterwards. If she "feels violated" emotionally - it's rape and the once upstanding gentleman is going to prison.

    Many women wouldn't feel violated in the above situation. They would just say stop and that would be that. They would go on to have a normal relationship with the male partner when boundaries are understood. And not having a man end up in prison.
    You left out a pretty important quote regarding the man's activity.- "there had been some consensual sexual activity between the parties and the only clear rule was no unprotected sex. He said this was ignored on this one occasion and that amounted to rape."

    She said no. He ignored that and raped her.
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    3.5 years in jail seems like a very harsh punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier View Post

    Many women wouldn't feel violated in the above situation. They would just say stop and that would be that. They would go on to have a normal relationship with the male partner when boundaries are understood. And not having a man end up in prison.

    The thing that some men are clearly failing to understand is that having to accept that a woman is not a chattel, a possession, someone who exists to fulfil a range of male needs without question is not some kind of oppression of men. This extreme sexism needs to be challenged whenever it rears its ugly head.

    Women are equal partners, and men don't get to decide how women should react to situations like this. If a woman says 'no', then it's not up to her to say 'stop' when the man fails to accept that no, it's up to the man to accept the woman's refusal, end of.

    So, yes, the guy in this case was rightly found guilty of rape, and men who think he should not have been found guilty stand indited of being idiotic sexist morons. And yes, that's you I'm talking to, OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier View Post
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36697498.html





    So a sheath of Latex 0.08mm thick is enough to protect you from having a criminal record, career destroyed, and be on the sex offenders register.

    Note Julian Assange was retrospectively prosecuted in Sweden for rape by having consensual sex without a condom.
    Prior knowledge of sex without a condom means consent withdrawn. It equals rape in this country.

    Where is this going to lead?




    Which implies that rape is somewhat elastic in definition. It depends on how the woman feels afterwards. If she "feels violated" emotionally - it's rape and the once upstanding gentleman is going to prison.

    Many women wouldn't feel violated in the above situation. They would just say stop and that would be that. They would go on to have a normal relationship with the male partner when boundaries are understood. And not having a man end up in prison.
    That's an amazing interpretation of the verdict. Literally incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    3.5 years in jail seems like a very harsh punishment.
    What do you think the term for rape should be?
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