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    Left wing parties always appoint incompetent females. It is a counterbalance to everyone else appointing incompetent males.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ergo2 View Post
    Most AGs were already leading goto barristers before their appointment.

    afaik Ms Whelan was better known as a Labour activist.

    There is a tradition that an outgoing AG is offered the first available High Court vacancy.

    Would the Benchers be upset if Leo cast this tradition aside in this case? Record not great
    If she's let near the SC that will be Leo making a political statement, which in those circumstances Leo is not supposed to do and for which. in the next GE, Leo will be punished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    The tenure of Marie Whelan as AG has been mired in controversy. A Labour hack for years, she was apppinted AG in 2011 and in a bizarre move was reappointed by Enda Kenny in 2016.

    It's being reported that Taoiseach elect Leo Varadakar is to replace her (not surprising considering her record to date) and it has been suggested she will be given a judicial position, in the Supreme Court of all places.

    This AG took almost 6 months to alert Minister Shatter about the widespread nature of the recording of phone calls in and out of garda stations, she also did not contact the then commissioner, Mr Callinan, or ask anyone to do so on her behalf, to seek further explanation in relation to the tapes. The Fennelly report noted her advice in relation to this scandal was ultimately incorrect, and its “alarmist” nature was a factor in the circumstances which hours later led to then Garda commissioner Martin Callinan’s officially stated retirement.

    Most shockingly, Máire Whelan was called to the Fennelly commission “at least four times” because her evidence directly contradicted some of her own statements and that of other key players in the investigation.

    She was central in the establishment of a commission of inquiry into the Siteserv controversy that did not have the legal powers to do the job. The FG/Lab government were also found to have breached the McKenna judgement under her watch.

    Is this really to be the callibre of person you want to see appointed to the highest court in the land?

    Shocked AG failed to contact Shatter over secret recordings - Independent.ie
    Enda Kenny urged to sack attorney general Máire Whelan | Irish Examiner
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...3%3Fmode%3Damp
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ns-00n9nll68wg
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máire_Whelan
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...7%3Fmode%3Damp
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/i...eral-7vvnw8tn8
    Political appointees in the judiciary make a mockery of a Democracy and must end now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    If she's let near the SC that will be Leo making a political statement, which in those circumstances Leo is not supposed to do and for which. in the next GE, Leo will be punished.
    Leo has already hinted at leaving most female members of government in their present rolls, including MOJ Fitzgerald and AG Whelan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    The tenure of Marie Whelan as AG has been mired in controversy. A Labour hack for years, she was apppinted AG in 2011 and in a bizarre move was reappointed by Enda Kenny in 2016.

    It's being reported that Taoiseach elect Leo Varadakar is to replace her (not surprising considering her record to date) and it has been suggested she will be given a judicial position, in the Supreme Court of all places.

    This AG took almost 6 months to alert Minister Shatter about the widespread nature of the recording of phone calls in and out of garda stations, she also did not contact the then commissioner, Mr Callinan, or ask anyone to do so on her behalf, to seek further explanation in relation to the tapes. The Fennelly report noted her advice in relation to this scandal was ultimately incorrect, and its “alarmist” nature was a factor in the circumstances which hours later led to then Garda commissioner Martin Callinan’s officially stated retirement.

    Most shockingly, Máire Whelan was called to the Fennelly commission “at least four times” because her evidence directly contradicted some of her own statements and that of other key players in the investigation.

    She was central in the establishment of a commission of inquiry into the Siteserv controversy that did not have the legal powers to do the job. The FG/Lab government were also found to have breached the McKenna judgement under her watch.

    Is this really to be the callibre of person you want to see appointed to the highest court in the land?

    Shocked AG failed to contact Shatter over secret recordings - Independent.ie
    Enda Kenny urged to sack attorney general Máire Whelan | Irish Examiner
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...3%3Fmode%3Damp
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ns-00n9nll68wg
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máire_Whelan
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...7%3Fmode%3Damp
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/i...eral-7vvnw8tn8
    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    There is no reason why she should not be appointed as a judge. She is - as AG - the most senior barrister. While gender is not critical in appointments- she will be replacing a female judge on the Supreme Court (who was simply superb as a high and Supreme Court judge).
    I've outlined a number of reasons as to why she isn't qualified to sit on the highest court in Ireland, or any court for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    Mind you it could be handy to have what passes for a liberal in Ireland on the Supreme Court.

    It would annoy Ger no end come the day when we have the predicted 'O'Roe versus McWade ruling.

    Other than that she could be appointed to the Liffey at low tide for all I care.
    Nah, seems I was very correct in that regard and the CA have dictated the direction now, a liberal regime cemented in the constitution.

    I don't trust any lawyer who's had to revise and rewrite her/his testimony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    The tenure of Marie Whelan as AG has been mired in controversy. A Labour hack for years, she was apppinted AG in 2011 and in a bizarre move was reappointed by Enda Kenny in 2016.

    It's being reported that Taoiseach elect Leo Varadakar is to replace her (not surprising considering her record to date) and it has been suggested she will be given a judicial position, in the Supreme Court of all places.

    This AG took almost 6 months to alert Minister Shatter about the widespread nature of the recording of phone calls in and out of garda stations, she also did not contact the then commissioner, Mr Callinan, or ask anyone to do so on her behalf, to seek further explanation in relation to the tapes. The Fennelly report noted her advice in relation to this scandal was ultimately incorrect, and its “alarmist” nature was a factor in the circumstances which hours later led to then Garda commissioner Martin Callinan’s officially stated retirement.

    Most shockingly, Máire Whelan was called to the Fennelly commission “at least four times” because her evidence directly contradicted some of her own statements and that of other key players in the investigation.

    She was central in the establishment of a commission of inquiry into the Siteserv controversy that did not have the legal powers to do the job. The FG/Lab government were also found to have breached the McKenna judgement under her watch.

    Is this really to be the callibre of person you want to see appointed to the highest court in the land?

    Shocked AG failed to contact Shatter over secret recordings - Independent.ie
    Enda Kenny urged to sack attorney general Máire Whelan | Irish Examiner
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...3%3Fmode%3Damp
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ns-00n9nll68wg
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máire_Whelan
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.iris...7%3Fmode%3Damp
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/i...eral-7vvnw8tn8
    There is a tradition of the AG getting first dibs on certainly a High Court vacancy, not sure about the SC though. In any event, in the case of Whelan, tradition should be cast aside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
    There is a tradition of the AG getting first dibs on certainly a High Court vacancy, not sure about the SC though. In any event, in the case of Whelan, tradition should be cast aside.
    McDowell, Rogers, Gallagher, Brady, Byrne, Gleeson, Fitzimmons etc. In fact the last 6 AG's before the current AG were not appointed to the Bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    McDowell, Rogers, Gallagher, Brady, Byrne, Gleeson, Fitzimmons etc. In fact the last 6 AG's before the current AG were not appointed to the Bench.
    Why did you stop at Fitzsimons? If you went one further back, you get to Harry Whelehan and he did go to the bench, an appointment which didn't last long and caused all sorts of pandemonium. Whelehans predecessor Murray ended up on the Supreme Court. There are others before him, Declan Costello and Anthony Hederman to name two who ended up on the bench.

    For those other AGs perhaps there were no vacancies or they passed it up. McDowell ran for the Dail and became Justice Minister and eventually Tanaiste. I am sure that some like Suds found private business more lucrative.
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    Alan Shatter might be a more realistic appointment.
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