View Poll Results: Should full public tribunal be set up to investigate the smear campaign against Sgt. Maurice McCabe?

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    JoanBRUTAL JoanBRUTAL is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman Emperor View Post
    In my opinion the penalty points issue is no big deal.

    Since Adam was in the Boy Scouts members of the Garda have been "fixing" summonses for friends and relations....it was considered one of the perks of the job, so to speak....and everyone knew about it.

    As for the breath tests...no big deal either.....anyone obviously twisted from drink would very soon come to the notice of the Garda without any need for a breath test.

    What concerns me is the fourteen thousand or so wrongful convictions.

    A conviction for a motoring offence can have very serious consequences.....at best, increased insurance premiums and at worst, the loss of ones livelihood.


    Does anyone here have any thoughts on why the serious issue of wrongful convictions has gained such little traction in the media compared to the relatively minor issue of the quashing of penalty points ?
    Most Likely because their not planning on doing Jack ************************ about any of it , case closed in the best interests of the country
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    Lumpy Talbot Lumpy Talbot is offline

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    Somewhat ironically there has probably been more of a threat to the proper development of a Republic from an ill-conceived sense of 'dacency' and a lack of desire for any form of transparency than any other trope in modern Irish political history.

    A quick pull-on of the green jersey and almost anything can be excused. I don't expect to see any gardai at any international conferences in the near future explaining how the AGS is at the leading edge of global policing.

    Who was the dick a year or so back who claimed that the AGS were 'the envy of Europe'?
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    JoanBRUTAL JoanBRUTAL is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by talkingshop View Post
    Great point - maybe the media felt the wrongful convictions weren't as useful for Garda bashing? But you're dead right - wrongful convictions are way more important than breath tests not being carried out, etc. Yet the media made little of this...very odd.
    How on earth you can think that wrongful convictions are more important than catching people who may be responsible for killing people because they are pissed at the wheel is ridiculous , wrongful convictions can be undone , losses of income can be compensated , Deaths because breath tests werent taken leaving people to drive under the influence cant be undone , they cant be compensated for , but they may have been stopped or at least decreased if only the poor guards could have been arsed
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoanBRUTAL View Post
    How on earth you can think that wrongful convictions are more important than catching people who may be responsible for killing people because they are pissed at the wheel is ridiculous , wrongful convictions can be undone , losses of income can be compensated , Deaths because breath tests werent taken leaving people to drive under the influence cant be undone , they cant be compensated for , but they may have been stopped or at least decreased if only the poor guards could have been arsed
    It's a matter of ethics, which should apply all across the board, irrespective of nature of offence, rank, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoanBRUTAL View Post
    How on earth you can think that wrongful convictions are more important than catching people who may be responsible for killing people because they are pissed at the wheel is ridiculous , wrongful convictions can be undone , losses of income can be compensated , Deaths because breath tests werent taken leaving people to drive under the influence cant be undone , they cant be compensated for , but they may have been stopped or at least decreased if only the poor guards could have been arsed
    If someone is "pissed at the wheel" the Garda will be well aware of it without needing to conduct a breath test.

    The statistics around wrongful convictions are stark;

    Since 2006, 146,000 summonses have been wrongly issued to people who had already paid a fine as a result of the fixed charge notice.

    Over fourteen thousand of these people were convicted in court and paid a second fine.

    Most will have had to pay increased insurance premiums as a consequence of incurring penalty points...some may even have lost their jobs.

    And you think that's not a big deal ?
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    JoanBRUTAL JoanBRUTAL is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman Emperor View Post
    If someone is "pissed at the wheel" the Garda will be well aware of it without needing to conduct a breath test.

    The statistics around wrongful convictions are stark;

    Since 2006, 146,000 summonses have been wrongly issued to people who had already paid a fine as a result of the fixed charge notice.

    Over fourteen thousand of these people were convicted in court and paid a second fine.

    Most will have had to pay increased insurance premiums as a consequence of incurring penalty points...some may even have lost their jobs.

    And you think that's not a big deal ?
    No I just dont think its more important than human life , They would be able to tell if someone was pissed at the wheel except for the fact they where falsifying breath tests because they where not doing roadside breath tests , bit hard to see someones pissed from the station
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Davison View Post
    How do you make out handcuffing Claire Daly was in order?
    Well, arresting her was in order, given the suspicion caused by having taken a drink, and driven down a road the wrong way. Whether handcuffing is general policy or only reserved for some cases, is a less important question imo. Maybe she objected to it, and had to be cuffed. Who knows?
    And if you think I believe she wasn't specifically targeted...

    That Alan Shatter wouldn't have been treated differently.
    You mean Shatter being unable to blow into the device when he was stopped. He got away with that; whether it was genuine or not, I don't know. But, it's not proof that Daly was targeted. Even if some people get off drink driving charges on a technicality (which is less common that some people think), it says nothing about the other people who get arrested for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbit v2 View Post
    Well, arresting her was in order, given the suspicion caused by having taken a drink, and driven down a road the wrong way. Whether handcuffing is general policy or only reserved for some cases, is a less important question imo. Maybe she objected to it, and had to be cuffed. Who knows?

    You mean Shatter being unable to blow into the device when he was stopped. He got away with that; whether it was genuine or not, I don't know. But, it's not proof that Daly was targeted. Even if some people get off drink driving charges on a technicality (which is less common that some people think), it says nothing about the other people who get arrested for it.
    Come on, the breathalyser "did not work" she was stopped for doing a u-turn, arrested and hand cuffed, they knew who she was , she was hardly a flight risk , and they called the press to inform them.

    Next she was stopped for doing 58 in a 50 zone, never got the FCN and was put on at the end of the court list. Then a warrant for her arrest?



    Im no fan of Daly , but clearly she was targeted for special treatment.
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    Dáil Éireann - 05/Dec/2017 Written Answers Nos. 38-60
    [COLOR=#990000]Deputy Mick Wallace[/COLOR] asked the [COLOR=#990000]Minister for Justice and Equality[/COLOR] if he has received correspondence from the legal team of a Garda whistleblower in the Athlone district; if his Department has engaged with the legal team; his plans to raise the issues with the acting Garda Commissioner; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

    Minister for Justice and Equality (Deputy Charles Flanagan):


    However, with that qualification, I can state that I have received correspondence of the kind mentioned in the Deputy's question from the legal representatives of a member of the Gardaí.
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    the first of what I expect to be many settlements for brave Sgt McCabe today

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36392314.html
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