New asylum scam exposed

[Riadach]

Is justice not universal?

Our state - our laws. No more happy-clappy crap! This isn't Star Trek - it is the real world.

Regards...jmcc

And what do out laws say about criminals? Surely if our state deems it essential to punish our citizens in such a way, then why should immigrants get off with a lesser punishment? Are they less in need of punishment and rehabilitation?

If an Irishman murdered or raped in Sierra Leone, would you be happy if he was deported, and allowed to roam freely?

[jimmyfour]

Is does beg the question, is there any point deporting non-eu criminals, if they are allowed to roam freely and return to another country and commit crimes again?

If we were part of Schengen we could know in advance of anybody unwanted, and when deported they would not be allowed back into any Schenegn country (except UK).

But as we are not, and we have 90% of our illegal immigrants arriving from the UK, and have no common border policy with the EU, we are wide open for abuse.

[seabhcan]

Is does beg the question, is there any point deporting non-eu criminals, if they are allowed to roam freely and return to another country and commit crimes again?

If Ireland joined Schengen it would cut down on a lot of this. We would have full access to the Schengen database of undesirables, and travel between the UK and Ireland would be properly controlled.

[FutureTaoiseach]

So if an asylum seeker arrives in Ireland first, and goes onto Dublin, you would find it ok, that if, after committing rape, he was sent back to Ireland and released onto the streets?

Geography and absence of flights dictates that it is almost impossible for a Third World asylum-seeker to have entered Ireland prior to any other EU state. But if they did, I would jail them first, then after serving their sentence, immediately deport them to their country of origin if that can be determined. If it cannot, they would be deported to a country of previous entry. Such people have outstayed their welcome.

[Shepherd]

As someone who regards the immigration issue as warranting a legitimate debate, and believes that we should have controls over who comes in, I'd be mortified to be identified with some of the remarks made here.

The fact is, attributing social traits to an entire nation or ethnic group is racist. Plenty of Catholics are paedophiles. Most aren't, and Catholics wouldn't accept such a sweeping statement. Are there bogus Nigerian asylum seekers? Of course there are. But many are legit, and have formed the opinion that Ireland is a decent, compassionate and generous country that will provide shelter for some. Something I'm not ashamed of.

[FutureTaoiseach]

As someone who regards the immigration issue as warranting a legitimate debate, and believes that we should have controls over who comes in, I'd be mortified to be identified with some of the remarks made here.

The fact is, attributing social traits to an entire nation or ethnic group is racist. Plenty of Catholics are paedophiles. Most aren't, and Catholics wouldn't accept such a sweeping statement. Are there bogus Nigerian asylum seekers? Of course there are. But many are legit, and have formed the opinion that Ireland is a decent, compassionate and generous country that will provide shelter for some. Something I'm not ashamed of.

Well I for one have not done that.

[Engels]

Illustrates what those of us who argued the system is being abused by overwhelmingly bogus asylum-seekers are correct.

Asylum seekers arrive with packs on how to beat the system

Many bogus asylum applicants are arriving here armed with an information pack on how to beat the system.


An investigation into asylum seeker abuses has also uncovered elaborate scams being used by the illegals to evade detection by immigration authorities.

The investigation, codenamed Operation Gull, is a joint exercise involving the gardai, the Department of Social and Family Affairs, the UK Borders and Immigration Agency and the Police Service of Northern Ireland.

An estimated 12pc of illegal migrants exposed by Operation Gull had been travelling on false documents. Officials said last night that bogus papers were also being used by criminals to move between countries.

A recent case involved an Algerian who had been deported from the UK after a conviction and prison sentence for rape.

With the help of his brother, he obtained a false French passport and flew from Algiers to Paris and then to Dublin. He was then intercepted by Gull investigators in Belfast.

Nigerians, who consistently comprise the biggest single nationality claiming asylum in Ireland, are also by far the largest single national group encountered in the operation........

It illustrates nothing of the sort - it actually illustrates that people who wish to spread racism will generalise ridiculously from reports such as this.

12% estimated travelling on false documents and you take from this that the "OVERWHELMING asylum seekers" - you wonder why people like you are described as racist - if you want to make an argument use facts - don't distort fugures and reports for your own jaundiced ends.

I would be amazed if there weren't asylum seekers involved in this type of thing in the same way that people from all backgrounds and nationalities take advantage of loop holes or manipulate situations to benefit themselves for many reasons - there are many Irish people involved in rackets including the rich and weathy (several Irish Taoiseach for a start!)

[rkeane]

Here comes the nutters from Indymedia!

[grainne whale]

As someone who regards the immigration issue as warranting a legitimate debate, and believes that we should have controls over who comes in, I'd be mortified to be identified with some of the remarks made here.

The fact is, attributing social traits to an entire nation or ethnic group is racist. Plenty of Catholics are paedophiles. Most aren't, and Catholics wouldn't accept such a sweeping statement. Are there bogus Nigerian asylum seekers? Of course there are. But many are legit, and have formed the opinion that Ireland is a decent, compassionate and generous country that will provide shelter for some. Something I'm not ashamed of.

I totally agree with you, comments made on various topics today regarding Nigerians have been disgraceful and I'm afraid to say that they have been made by my own compatriots.

[Dublinguy]

I have to admit I think it is sickening listening to the abuse we are hurling here against foreign nationals who enter this country illegally especially considering our own heritage of entering countries illegally....
Anyone who comes here should be made to work with no benefits etc...if they work and earn money fair enough..if they can't then tough....

I would love to see what the reaction would be here if because a few Irish illegals commit crimes in the US/Aus etc if their Govt proceeded to boot out all the Irish like people are advocating be done to the Nigerians etc..