Irish Born Child scheme: Amnesty or Scam?

[dub006]

It has been established on a separate thread that most applicants (with a few exceptions) under the Irish born child scheme,including asylum seekers, were illegal immigrants seeking leave to remain in Ireland.

The definition of ‘Illegal Immigrant ‘ is contained in the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (TRAFFICKING) ACT, 2000 as follows.

“illegal immigrant” means a non-national who enters or seeks to enter or has entered the State unlawfully;’’


Any non-Irish national who was the parent of an Irish child born before the 1st January 2005 may apply for residency. This includes, for example, persons:
Who have applied for asylum
Who have applied for humanitarian permission to remain in Ireland
Who have been issued with Deportation Orders but are still in Ireland
Who withdrew asylum applications and applied for residency under the old administrative arrangements
Who came to Ireland on work permits / working visas
Who came to Ireland as students
Who have been living in Ireland illegally and have never applied for any immigration status before.'


The Minister for justice stated the IBC scheme was not an amnesty but a discretionary scheme where conditional residency (subject to conditions) was granted to approximately 18,000 applicants.

Given there has been no formal debate in the Dail and vote to grant amnesty has the Minister overstepped his power by granting this residency to appease the lobbying power of powerful socioethnic lobby groups at the expense of the Irish people.?

Can the Minister deport these people now if they are not self supporting as this would appear to conflict directly with Article 22 of the Constitution.?

[Aindriu]

A child born to non-nationals living in Ireland is NOT Irish and is NOT entitled to Irish citizenship as an automatic right.

[smiffy]

A child born to non-nationals living in Ireland is NOT Irish and is NOT entitled to Irish citizenship as an automatic right.

Since 2005.

BTW, the answer to the question posed by this thread is 'neither'.

[FutureTaoiseach]

He should.

[Aindriu]

He should.

Rubbish! Where you are born does not define ethnicity. Lineage defines ethnicity! Jesus was born in a stable (allegedly) did that make him a horse?

[seabhcan]

He should.

Rubbish! Where you are born does not define ethnicity. Lineage defines ethnicity! Jesus was born in a stable (allegedly) did that make him a horse?

Wouldn't that logic make you oppose any form of acquired citizenship or naturalization?

[TheBear]

<Mod>Moved to the Justice forum.</Mod>

[pocleary]

It has been established on a separate thread that most applicants (with a few exceptions) under the Irish born child scheme,including asylum seekers, were illegal immigrants seeking leave to remain in Ireland.

The definition of ‘Illegal Immigrant ‘ is contained in the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (TRAFFICKING) ACT, 2000 as follows.

“illegal immigrant” means a non-national who enters or seeks to enter or has entered the State unlawfully;’’

although i personally am not against immigrants per-se or asylum seekers, I did wonder why so many asylum seekers hail from one of the only african countries NOT at war or in civil war and very rich as well, NIGERIA.
is there some other dynamic going on here

[rkeane]

although i personally am not against immigrants per-se or asylum seekers, I did wonder why so many asylum seekers hail from one of the only african countries NOT at war or in civil war and very rich as well, NIGERIA.
is there some other dynamic going on here

The people who come here from Nigeria are overwhelmingly bogus asylum seekers, they use every trick in order to scam money out of this country. They saw a good deal where they would likely be allowed leave to remain with plenty of social welfare benefits. Michael McDowell should have deported the lot of them….its complete bullsh*t that Ireland would be the first safe destination they could arrive in.

[seabhcan]

It has been established on a separate thread that most applicants (with a few exceptions) under the Irish born child scheme,including asylum seekers, were illegal immigrants seeking leave to remain in Ireland.

The definition of ‘Illegal Immigrant ‘ is contained in the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (TRAFFICKING) ACT, 2000 as follows.

“illegal immigrant” means a non-national who enters or seeks to enter or has entered the State unlawfully;’’

although i personally am not against immigrants per-se or asylum seekers, I did wonder why so many asylum seekers hail from one of the only african countries NOT at war or in civil war and very rich as well, NIGERIA.
is there some other dynamic going on here

Well, I've met people here who've come from Congo, Angola, Zimbabwe, etc (actually, they tend to complain about the Nigerians more than any Irish person)

Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa. It has about 25% of the whole population of sub saharan Africa. There are also deep historical ties with both the UK and Ireland (the patron saint of Nigeria is Patrick).

So its not so surprising that a large portion of the African migrants here would be Nigerians.