Mahon: No 'dig out' took place

[powderfinger]

As has been pointed out:

There is only ONE lodgement docket for the IR£28,880.80 (or some odd figure like that) that Ahern claims to be a mixture of Irish pounds and a large amount of Sterling that was lodged in Dec 1994......but the the practice is: one lodgement docket=one currency lodgement, if there was a mixture of currencies they would be broken up and lodged seperately, and therefore with seperate lodgement dockets.

The one lodgement docket in this case is the USD$45,000 cash lump sum.

And a recap:
In Spring 1994, Des Richardson came back from Manchester with USD$10,000 cash lump sum from an English property developer (Norman Turner) - As stated in Tribunal Evidence.

Ahern was fuzzy about the date of the Lancashire Hotpot , the Old Trafford "seasons"shimmy-shammy he tried last time out.His good oul' mate future former Senator Tony Kett clarified at Mahon that he remembered the trip as the end of the 1993/1994 season.Makes sense.The Booze,Builders and Bucks were oozing around Manchester circa May 1994,what with beating Chelsea 4-0 at Wembley to clinch the Double.Thanks Tonyk.

[toxic avenger]

The place will be packed with FF arselickers again on Thursday/Friday. Anyone wanting to go and boo needs to be there early before the sycophants, who are usually there at least an hour before...

The very first appearance by Ahern, in 2004, the ordinary tribunal-watchers were locked out after they came back from lunch, their seats having been taken by busloads of FF hacks. The crowd locked out applauded Gilmartin as he walked in. Ahern knew the reception his lawyers got was massively hostile when they cross-examined Gilmartin, everyone was on Gilmartin's side, so they took no chances. That is the system still in place today.

Anyone who can, play them at their own game..

[stanley]

Cons, when I worked on forex at a branch we did not have special machines in which daily rates were programmed so a command 5 function is new to myself, there was a little bit more discretion available, but I find it impossible to believe no bank official cannot remember a 45k dollar lodgment but also Mahon has only been able to ask one official the question, AIB seem to have shored up their staff pretty well.

[digoutday]

The place will be packed with FF arselickers again on Thursday/Friday. Anyone wanting to go and boo needs to be there early before the sycophants, who are usually there at least an hour before...

The very first appearance by Ahern, in 2004, the ordinary tribunal-watchers were locked out after they came back from lunch, their seats having been taken by busloads of FF hacks. The crowd locked out applauded Gilmartin as he walked in. Ahern knew the reception his lawyers got was massively hostile when they cross-examined Gilmartin, everyone was on Gilmartin's side, so they took no chances. That is the system still in place today.

Anyone who can, play them at their own game..

what time do you advise going up?

[droghedasouth]

anyone going tomorrow - I suggest we wear p.ie name tags.

[constitutionus]

Cons, when I worked on forex at a branch we did not have special machines in which daily rates were programmed so a command 5 function is new to myself, there was a little bit more discretion available, but I find it impossible to believe no bank official cannot remember a 45k dollar lodgment but also Mahon has only been able to ask one official the question, AIB seem to have shored up their staff pretty well.

lord man i cant belive you had to do that by hand ive been using the forde machine since 93 so i thought they were standard in use in all banks by 94. the place i work for was small fry at that stage but we were fully decked out with them. if as you say AIB on o connell st was doing it that way it does leave open the posibility but it sounds really dodgy . (also my boss used to work for AIB before going solo with a few of his mates so i presumed he brought their system with him) besides im sure i heard someone mention backing rolls being destroyed ages ago so i thought that was the system they used. even so it still shouldnt affect what went on the cash page and should clearly show the amounts of FX bought in that day. plus it wouldnt affect the amount bert got.

like you said if someone came in with 30k in cash you'd remember it. anything that large and unusual would. hell especially if my boss came down the superivse it. i vividly remember a customer coming in in 2002 to send 10k to china. scared the crap out of me

were up to the fifth generation of moneychanger machines now. we're piloting the new system the banks will be using. its fecking crap. two bleeding years and it still doesnt work right. the old forde machine might be a noisey peice of crap but its leagues ahead of the computer that replaced it and the thing im using now. apparently when its fixed you'll be able to do away with cashpages but considering this tribunal that might no be a good idea

[stanley]

Machines were in AIB in '93 but they are unable to provide backing rolls or any other documentation to show clearly the currencies and amounts involved corresponding to the ir£ lodgment dockets into the a/c's in question.
But employees of the branch would have seen the currency lodgments and certainly more than Philip Murphy would have been involved in handling and processing the cash until it was remitted to currency services, cannot understand why these employees have not been asked to confirm, AIB somehow have stonewalled it.

[constitutionus]

ah, so its not actually the forex documents their looking at. the backing roll makes sense as they can destroy them after 7yrs but the cashpage should still be about (ive a mountain of the feckers down here now in my company and theres even more up in head office). sorry i thought we were dealing with the stuff generated by that section

this sounds REALLY dodgy. revenue would want to be able to look at those cash books to make sure nothing is going on if they were doing an investigation . im pretty sure they can go back as far as they want if it suits them. methinks more examples of flooding and fire has happened here.

it truely is amazing how much paperwork disapears over this whole affair still, how do they know how much STG was bought that day with out the cashbook weird

[stanley]

Ir£ eqiv would have shown up in impersonal accounts and the teller involved would want to be remitting the stg and dollars cash pretty rapid to the currency services as they would not help with overnight cash insurance limits, will agree cashbook would make it easier but anything to help out Bertie.
Would you agree they probably have quite a little forensic team in Bankcentre chasing down anything to do with Mahon and then a seperate strategy team to liaise with the lawyers and then Sheehy at the top cracking the whip and a lot more to come.