Mahon: No 'dig out' took place

[toxic avenger]

Toxic?

Murphy is counsel for the Tribunal asking the questions in that piece isn't he? He does make a huge leap from the CARI donation to suggesting it didn't happen at all? or is that normal courtroom/tribunalroom hard cop tactics, shenannigans etc.?

Henry Murphy, Tribunal SC, yes. He's suggesting that there's no way the 'repayment' cheque from Ahern was going to be cashed because it was never paid over in the first place. Mahon, later in the transcript, in argument with McKenna's lawyer, states that the Tribunal are investigating this scenario. It's amazing the question is being asked at all, but it is based, as is also evident in the rest of the transcript, on the Tribunal's disbelief that there is no money trail for ANY of these alleged 'loans,' and that every 'donor' was keeping cash under their beds or in socks at home, and that this is where Ahern's money came from, not even one ATM or Bank withdrawal. They are indicating their belief that there is the probability that this is all an organised conspiracy.

[mollox]

Henry Murphy, Tribunal SC......suggesting that there's no way the 'repayment' cheque from Ahern was going to be cashed because it was never paid over in the first place. ........... They are indicating their belief that there is the probability that this is all an organised conspiracy.

Surely that's what the Tribunal is now clearly assessing to be the case?
That there was no dig-out, no dinner in Manchester etc.?
That Bertie was in receipt of large cash payments from, as yet, unnamed individuals and explanations are being invented and retro-fitted by him and his bag-carriers, now that these lodgments have been discovered by the Tribunal?

[Kf]

[quote=Auditor #9][quote="toxic avenger":2rp926xc]Why the hell is this not being shouted from the rooftops by the media and the opposition?[/quote]
Fatigue.

EDIT: [url="http://www.planningtribunal.ie/images/SITECONTENT_777.pdf"]http://www.planningtribunal.ie/images/S ... NT_777.pdf[/url][/quote:2rp926xc]

Now thats efficent 140+ pages and they are up!

[toxic avenger]

[quote=Kf][quote=Auditor #9]

http://www.planningtribunal.ie/images/S ... NT_777.pdf[/url]

Now thats efficent 140+ pages and they are up![/quote:t7x9mk2h]

They're up by 5pm most days..

[Kf]

Having read it, this dig out story seems to have no factual evidence at all. The question is whether O'Neill is fishing for info or setting his Bertship for a ambush later this month.

[FutureTaoiseach]

The witch-hunt continues. The Mahon tribunal can say what they like about people based on an entirely partial picture of the situation. They can decide to make allegations before the accused has a chance to defend themselves. It turns justice on its head. A better model of investigation is needed, which protects the constitutional right of the citizen to their good name. The tribunal model, in which an investigation has been going on for 10 yrs, and in which allegations can be repeatedly made with witnesses being able to hide behind Tribunal privilege when making allegations - even where evidence does not support the allegations and where witnesses keep changing their stories - is utterly unfair. Even our rulers have a right to a presumption of innocence and their good name unless proven to have broken the law. Maybe Pope Benedict could offer the job of "Head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" (the successor to the Catholic Inquisition) to someone from the Tribunal.

[Defeated Romanticist]

Fianna Fail may as well just shut up shop - unless they can persuade Harney to return and lead them. It would be that seismic...

I doubt it - Fianna Fáil have an astonishing, indeed somewhat disappointing, ability to bounce back from such fiascos. That is most likely why one fiasco leads to another.

People said the exact same about the Italian Christian Democrats before they ultimately fell asunder.

I can see why one would be of a mind to compare that honourable party of mine to the Italian Christian Democrats, both face no serious opposition, but the Italian Christian Democrats folded after massive corruption scandals which totally undermined it. Other than a few bad apples long ago no one could plausably say Fianna Fáil is corrupt.

[Kf]

[quote=Defeated Romanticist]

Fianna Fail may as well just shut up shop - unless they can persuade Harney to return and lead them. It would be that seismic...

I doubt it - Fianna Fáil have an astonishing, indeed somewhat disappointing, ability to bounce back from such fiascos. That is most likely why one fiasco leads to another.

People said the exact same about the Italian Christian Democrats before they ultimately fell asunder.

I can see why one would be of a mind to compare that honourable party of mine to the Italian Christian Democrats, both face no serious opposition, but the Italian Christian Democrats folded after massive corruption scandals which totally undermined it. Other than a few bad apples long ago no one could plausably say Fianna Fáil is corrupt.[/quote:2tv7ewg9]

Oh come on! At any given time over the past two decades FF have been up to their necks in sh!te. I mean at the moment you have TDs in the party with various judgements against them, one awaitng to defend himself against assualt charges ,dozens of councilors who have admitted taking bribes, a leader who is clearly tell porkies. The bad apples defence ceased to be any way credible about 10 years ago.

[Rich OC]

[quote=Kf]

Fianna Fail may as well just shut up shop - unless they can persuade Harney to return and lead them. It would be that seismic...

I doubt it - Fianna Fáil have an astonishing, indeed somewhat disappointing, ability to bounce back from such fiascos. That is most likely why one fiasco leads to another.

People said the exact same about the Italian Christian Democrats before they ultimately fell asunder.

I can see why one would be of a mind to compare that honourable party of mine to the Italian Christian Democrats, both face no serious opposition, but the Italian Christian Democrats folded after massive corruption scandals which totally undermined it. Other than a few bad apples long ago no one could plausably say Fianna Fáil is corrupt.

Oh come on! At any given time over the past two decades FF have been up to their necks in sh!te. I mean at the moment you have TDs in the party with various judgements against them, one awaitng to defend himself against assualt charges ,dozens of councilors who have admitted taking bribes, a leader who is clearly tell porkies. The bad apples defence ceased to be any way credible about 10 years ago.[/quote:30dxx31z]

And if there is a problem with Albert ... three dodgy Leaders in a row.

[stanley]

So Mrs Gunne has not cashed Bertie's chg and neither has POC so has Bertie written out new chqs and sent them to CARI or is he still quids in.
With regard to the mutilated NCB chq, this is a very rare occurence, my guess is DR could have contrived to get cash for it the second time round from POC but he got stonewalled who knows he may have torn it himself and surely Maguire should reclaim the vat as he has charged it for work never done, is that fraud.