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    lochlannach lochlannach is offline

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    Shouldn't Irish government intervene in the case of Ibrahim Halawa?

    Ibrahim Halawa was arrested during protests against the coup in Egypt last year. Twelve months later, it's far from clear exactly what he's supposed to have done wrong. But he's spent a whole year in prison now. He's being brought to trial today presumably charged with some as yet unspecified crime.

    Justice in Egypt - as in many Arab countries - is a strange beast so there's little hope he'll get a fair trial. He's an Irish teenager far away from home and family; he wants to get back here to do his Leaving Certificate exams. There's a distinct sense that if he was Caucasian, his story would be all over the newspapers and talk shows.

    But he's obviously of ethnic Arab origin and his case has attracted little interest. Shouldn't the Irish government be doing more to protect its citizens caught up in the vagaries of tin pot justice systems?



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    The_SR The_SR is offline

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    Yes.
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    No.

    Should they also intervene in the case of Michael Fitzpatrick? A Florida man who obtained Irish citizenship through descent whilst on Death Row? In both cases, these men are using Irish citizenship as a mechanism to help secure a reprieve. Irish when they want to be.

    US death row prisoner granted Irish citizenship | Irish Examiner


    In a bold diplomatic move, the Irish ambassador to Egypt, Isolde Moylan, flanked by a number of consular staff from the Irish Embassy in Egypt and members of the EU delegation in Cairo, are set to attend the court hearing.

    This unprecedented show of high-level support is believed to be a tactical, yet subtle, flexing of diplomatic muscle intended to put pressure on the Egyptian authorities to release Ibrahim.

    - See more at: Diplomatic team to attend jailed teenager's Cairo trial - Independent.ie
    The government are not doing enough? Please. What do you want them to do? Send in the Rangers?
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    Dunno. He went to a country known to be in turmoil and took part in a political protest. In principle if he is a citizen of Ireland he deserves help but don't present him as an innocent tourist who just ended up in the wrong place. That's not really the case here.

    He did knowingly place himself in danger which was unwise so some responsibility must attach to him. You can't rely on the government to always extract you from situations of your own making.

    Anyway, what concrete steps do you propose Ireland take? You seem short of actual suggestions yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick McKee View Post
    No.

    Should they also intervene in the case of Michael Fitzpatrick? A Florida man who obtained Irish citizenship through descent whilst on Death Row? In both cases, these men are using Irish citizenship as a mechanism to help secure a reprieve. Irish when they want to be.

    US death row prisoner granted Irish citizenship | Irish Examiner
    There is no comparison between this guy and an Irish born Irish citizen
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummed View Post
    Dunno. He went to a country known to be in turmoil and took part in a political protest. In principle if he is a citizen of Ireland he deserves help but don't present him as an innocent tourist who just ended up in the wrong place. That's not really the case here.

    He did knowingly place himself in danger which was unwise so some responsibility must attach to him. You can't rely on the government to always extract you from situations of your own making.

    Anyway, what concrete steps do you propose Ireland take? You seem short of actual suggestions yourself.
    Well if the DFA are willing to sort out the transfer of a drugs mule from Peru, I don't think its unreasonable that the embassy visit him in jail to see how he is being treated, arrange legals if required, protest if his treatment is unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    There is no comparison between this guy and an Irish born Irish citizen
    Legally, Fitzpatrick was an Irish citizen at birth. His ma was Irish born. He just never bothered applying for a passport until he got a date with oul sparky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    There is no comparison between this guy and an Irish born Irish citizen
    Yes, but if you go to Iraq and get yourself captured by ISIS is that the governments fault?

    The Dept of Foreign affairs had issued a warning advising people not to go to Cairo.

    Right now they would I presume advise citizens not to go to Iraq.

    If you ignore that and go anyway is that the Governments fault?
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    Intervene how? You want the Minister for Arms And Farms to organize an Entebbe-like rescue mission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lochlannach View Post
    Ibrahim Halawa was arrested during protests against the coup in Egypt last year. Twelve months later, it's far from clear exactly what he's supposed to have done wrong. But he's spent a whole year in prison now. He's being brought to trial today presumably charged with some as yet unspecified crime.

    Justice in Egypt - as in many Arab countries - is a strange beast so there's little hope he'll get a fair trial. He's an Irish teenager far away from home and family; he wants to get back here to do his Leaving Certificate exams. There's a distinct sense that if he was Caucasian, his story would be all over the newspapers and talk shows.

    But he's obviously of ethnic Arab origin and his case has attracted little interest. Shouldn't the Irish government be doing more to protect its citizens caught up in the vagaries of tin pot justice systems?



    Calls to release Irish teen detained in Cairo - RTÉ News
    If he was a drugs mule, but white and female, the media would be all over this.
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