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    Another crim threatens to kill and seriously harm someone and he gets a suspended sentences. It will be interesting to see how long it takes Jason ‘Jake the Snake’ Casey, to return to our courts.

    Suspended sentence over violent Limerick incident and death threats - Limerick Leader
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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    A youth who left a Dublin girl permanently scarred and afraid to leave her house, following a horrific attack after she rejected his sexual advances, has been spared a custodial sentence. Judge says detention should be "last resort" This sort of justice is going to lead to vigilante activity. This girls life has been badly effected.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...medium=twitter
    Presumably he has to kill someone before the 'last resort' point is reached?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cannotthinkofone View Post
    Prisoners serving life can be reviewed after 7 years. There are currently 352 prisoners on "serving" a life sentence.

    7 were granted TR last year after serving an average of 22 years.

    In 2015 6 were granted TR after serving an average of 17 years.

    "The Midlands Prison has the highest amount of life sentence inmates, 79, Wheatfield Place of Detention has 71 and there are 41 in the male unit of Mountjoy prison.
    There are 39 men serving life sentences in Arbour Hill, 24 in Portlaoise and 16 in both Castlerea and Shelton Abbey."

    I believe that the longest serving prisoner you refer to is Jimmy Ennis, in his case he was "released" by several Ministers going back to the 70's, but he said he wasn't "pushed" to leave after spending 65 years of his life in state care of some form of the other.

    JOHN SHAW & GEOFFREY EVANS

    Murdered two women and were wanted in the UK for several rapes, Shaw died in prison after spending his final years in a vegetative state and Evans is looking for day release.

    NOEL CALLAN & MICHAEL MCHUGH

    Were not sentenced to life - they were sentenced to death, their sentences were commuted to 40 years in prison without parole - after a High Court case, they had 25% remission and were released after 30 years.

    COLM O’SHEA & PAT MCCANN

    Shot two Garda and were also not sentenced to life, they were sentenced to death and that sentence was commuted to 40 years and they were released after 33 years.

    So of the 7 in the article, only 2 really served a long life sentence, Shaw is still alive and has served 38 years. You have to remember also that these men were referred to a serial killers and Evans wanted to "kill one woman a week" - it is right that they should never have been released from prison.
    The Irish system's only saving grace is that the life sentence remains mandatory for murder, so at least murderers will serve substantial sentences, albeit not literally 'life'. I shudder to think what judges would try to get away with if they had options other than a life sentence for murder.

    Irish judges are irredeemably left-liberal by all international comparisons and have an extraordinary aversion to sending people to prison at all, and certainly not for more than a couple of years. In my view, the elected legislature (if they have the guts which I doubt) should have the final say in relation to sentencing guidelines, and not unelected and virtually unchallengable judges who inhabit a parallel universe utterly detached from the results of violent criminal behaviour.

    Any significantly violent offence should attract a default sentence of 7-10 years, increasing towards a life sentence for repeated offences. The emphasis should be on removing violent and dangerous offenders from society at least until they are older and (hopefully) less capable of wreaking havoc. Except in a small minority of cases, rehabilitation of repeat violent offenders is not a realistic goal and taxpayers' money should not be wasted pursuing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midlander12 View Post
    The Irish system's only saving grace is that the life sentence remains mandatory for murder, so at least murderers will serve substantial sentences, albeit not literally 'life'. I shudder to think what judges would try to get away with if they had options other than a life sentence for murder.

    Irish judges are irredeemably left-liberal by all international comparisons and have an extraordinary aversion to sending people to prison at all, and certainly not for more than a couple of years. In my view, the elected legislature (if they have the guts which I doubt) should have the final say in relation to sentencing guidelines, and not unelected and virtually unchallengable judges who inhabit a parallel universe utterly detached from the results of violent criminal behaviour.

    Any significantly violent offence should attract a default sentence of 7-10 years, increasing towards a life sentence for repeated offences. The emphasis should be on removing violent and dangerous offenders from society at least until they are older and (hopefully) less capable of wreaking havoc. Except in a small minority of cases, rehabilitation of repeat violent offenders is not a realistic goal and taxpayers' money should not be wasted pursuing it.
    and by not handing out harsh sentences the Irish judiciary are failing the public and enabling violent crims. How many people have now been murdered because of suspended and soft sentencing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by midlander12 View Post
    The Irish system's only saving grace is that the life sentence remains mandatory for murder, so at least murderers will serve substantial sentences, albeit not literally 'life'. I shudder to think what judges would try to get away with if they had options other than a life sentence for murder.

    Irish judges are irredeemably left-liberal by all international comparisons and have an extraordinary aversion to sending people to prison at all, and certainly not for more than a couple of years. In my view, the elected legislature (if they have the guts which I doubt) should have the final say in relation to sentencing guidelines, and not unelected and virtually unchallengable judges who inhabit a parallel universe utterly detached from the results of violent criminal behaviour.

    Any significantly violent offence should attract a default sentence of 7-10 years, increasing towards a life sentence for repeated offences. The emphasis should be on removing violent and dangerous offenders from society at least until they are older and (hopefully) less capable of wreaking havoc. Except in a small minority of cases, rehabilitation of repeat violent offenders is not a realistic goal and taxpayers' money should not be wasted pursuing it.
    Yeah many of them are educated by Commie Jesuits with the intention of turning them into Liberal Ladyboys/Snowflakes.Throw in middle class guilt and you've got a perfect storm in terms of leniency.Political equivalent is Coveney and Eamon Ryan.God bleedin help us
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    Give us a break

    Quote Originally Posted by Wagmore View Post
    Yeah many of them are educated by Commie Jesuits with the intention of turning them into Liberal Ladyboys/Snowflakes.Throw in middle class guilt and you've got a perfect storm in terms of leniency.Political equivalent is Coveney and Eamon Ryan.God bleedin help us
    In this so called period of peace and goodwill I should criticise almost all the posts on this thread. However, most of them are so biased and downright stupid it would be a waste of time.
    Given that our prisons are over full and hotbeds of drug taking and other forms of anti social behaviour, it is not a solution to add more inmates to the problem.
    Add to that the broad brush criticism based on a very limited view of the facts of the cases reported, this thread is a haven for people with a twisted view of justice.

    Happy holidays
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    In this so called period of peace and goodwill I should criticise almost all the posts on this thread. However, most of them are so biased and downright stupid it would be a waste of time.
    Given that our prisons are over full and hotbeds of drug taking and other forms of anti social behaviour, it is not a solution to add more inmates to the problem.
    Add to that the broad brush criticism based on a very limited view of the facts of the cases reported, this thread is a haven for people with a twisted view of justice.

    Happy holidays
    its not puttin them in is the problem mate its lettin the ************************s out!!!!!
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    Yet another example from our Judicary of crazy leniency, failing victims and wasting tax payers money. The effort involved in returning this crim to this jurisdiction, and then for the Judiciary to not impose a custodial sentence is shocking and must be very frustrating for our Police force.

    Suspended jail sentence for man embroiled in violent fight in Limerick - Limerick Leader
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    In this so called period of peace and goodwill I should criticise almost all the posts on this thread. However, most of them are so biased and downright stupid it would be a waste of time.
    Given that our prisons are over full and hotbeds of drug taking and other forms of anti social behaviour, it is not a solution to add more inmates to the problem.
    Add to that the broad brush criticism based on a very limited view of the facts of the cases reported, this thread is a haven for people with a twisted view of justice.

    Happy holidays
    So your solution is for violent recidivist crims to remain free in their communities because of prison overcrowding and drug taking? I take it you have not been a victim or seen the consequences of these violent recidivist crims, or maybe you have a vested interest in having these violent recidivist crims free?

    The majority of posts on this thread refer to violent recidivists crims, that are given chance after chance to change their ways and fail to do so. If you think that our Justice system is working you are sadly mistaken.
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