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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    I understand this law claims to criminalise paying for sex "everywhere" or at least the version published last year did. Does this mean Irish punters going to Amsterdam could be prosecuted in Ireland? I forsee constitutional difficulties there. In particular I see other countries being unwilling to extradite back to Ireland for something that is legal over there.
    This idea would appear to be even less workable than the criminalisation of buyers here.
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    We've seen in this country how slow the legislative process is. I would be surprised if it goes through before the election but we shall see. The Oireachtas Justice Committee took quite a hysterical Victorian line on it.

    The Bill as before continues the criminalisation of the sex workers themselves. This flies in the face of Ruhama's demands that only the sex purchaser be criminalised. If Ruhama continues to support the Bill it exposes the sham of their concern for sex workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    We've seen in this country how slow the legislative process is. I would be surprised if it goes through before the election but we shall see. The Oireachtas Justice Committee took quite a hysterical Victorian line on it.

    The Bill as before continues the criminalisation of the sex workers themselves. This flies in the face of Ruhama's demands that only the sex purchaser be criminalised. If Ruhama continues to support the Bill it exposes the sham of their concern for sex workers.
    You're right that certain groups are taking a hysterical line, trying to pretend there is some kind of trafficking crisis when Britain have firmly rejected the same proposals. Despite various raids and much publicity, sex trafficking victims in Ireland remain elusive and it appears that most sex workers are here perfectly willingly. Even after the Amnesty vote, in Dublin itself of all places, Fitzgerald still adopts the ostrich position.

    Buyer criminalisation is intended to hit sex workers in the pocket and supposedly make them move to other, more ''acceptable'' lines of work. This ignores the fact that this hasn't happened in Sweden or indeed any other country where variants on the theme have been introduced. It does however appease the strands of feminism and religious zealots who patronisingly see all sex workers as victims and the NGOs who see them as a meal ticket. Following the Amnesty decision, ignorance is no longer an excuse. This is about prejudice and personal disapproval, factors which should not be permitted to influence legislation.
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    Not only do the feminists want to ban prostitution.

    They even want to ban sex-robots! Get ready for "its wrong because they can't consent".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    We've seen in this country how slow the legislative process is. I would be surprised if it goes through before the election but we shall see. The Oireachtas Justice Committee took quite a hysterical Victorian line on it.

    The Bill as before continues the criminalisation of the sex workers themselves. This flies in the face of Ruhama's demands that only the sex purchaser be criminalised. If Ruhama continues to support the Bill it exposes the sham of their concern for sex workers.
    There zero chance of this becoming law before the election. I would eat mine, yours, everyone elses hat if it did.

    Election must be called before 8th April, Dail must be dissolved so lets say 8th March. That is just over 5 months, you really think they can push through this piece of legislation in under 5 months?! Have you read it? It is HUGE, and has many complex issues that I feel violate various laws of both our constitution and possibly other European laws.

    It won't be law until mid 2017 at the earliest, probably with many changes.
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    I presume this applies to male prostitutes too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nudavongs View Post
    I presume this applies to male prostitutes too?
    Male and trans sex workers are effectively invisible as far as the Swedish Model is concerned, as they don't fit into the 'victim' stereotype.

    It's worth mentioning though that last month in the US, there was a high profile raid on the offices of 'Rentboy.com', a male sex worker organisation which had been operating in plain sight for almost 20 years. The department of homeland security were involved with the excuse being that the site promoted ''prostitution over state lines.'' Tellingly there was no mention of human trafficking as presumably that can only happen to women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Not only do the feminists want to ban prostitution.

    They even want to ban sex-robots! Get ready for "its wrong because they can't consent".
    they never ask their own mechanical sex toys for consent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Not only do the feminists want to ban prostitution.

    They even want to ban sex-robots! Get ready for "its wrong because they can't consent".
    It's part of the deeply depressing new puritanism, whereby feminism takes over the sex police role (partially) vacated by the church. See also campaigns against porn, lads mags, page three, anything BDSM related and of course, the worst crime of all, women making money through the sale of sexual services, which must apparently be given away free at all times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Careful now View Post
    It's part of the deeply depressing new puritanism, whereby feminism takes over the sex police role (partially) vacated by the church. See also campaigns against porn, lads mags, page three, anything BDSM related and of course, the worst crime of all, women making money through the sale of sexual services, which must apparently be given away free at all times.
    it seems to be a way to herd men back onto the reservation. Im actually beginning to doubt its about what they think its about. Its been observed in nature that in some species of monkeys that if the females aren't getting enough attention from the males that they throw rocks at them. Feminists seem to be doing the same thing
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