High Court finds Ireland in breach of the ECHR

[Fnarr-Fnarr]

Fair play to Justice McKechnie for finding Ireland in breach of the ECHR for our failure to recognise the post-operative gender of those who suffer from Gender Identity Disorder.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1019/foyl.html

I hope the Government will act swiftly to legislate for the anomally in the law.

[PaintingMedium]

Fair play to Justice McKechnie for finding Ireland in breach of the ECHR for our failure to recognise the post-operative gender of those who suffer from Gender Identity Disorder.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1019/foyl.html

I hope the Government will act swiftly to legislate for the anomally in the law.

It seems like a big deal over nothing?
How much would it cost to legislate and the cost for taxpayers for this case because some man wants to be a woman on his birth cert? how often do you look at a birth cert? every day? what do you need a birth cert for these days that other identification does not provide.

Not to go into the actual "disorder", but I would be more concerned about the waste of money to us taxpayers pay so the occasional man who wants to be a woman can have a pretty useless document changed.

Was this man born again as a woman, no, so why would he(she) now get a new birth cert, would they ever just get on with it and stop wasting the courts time

[thenardier]

I think Ireland is the last EU country to recognise the rights of transsexuals.

Birth Certs are an important issue, but just one. Transsexuals go through a lot of humiliation and misery, much of it caused by unnecessary official obstacles; the more these can be reduced or minimised (preferably removed), the better.

I second Fnarr-Fnarr's comments and I hope the Minister for Justice acts quickly and brings legislation forward on this matter.

[rockofcashel]

Actually, this is one of the places I disagree with people's seeking of a vindication of rights with regards to matters of gender and sexuality..

regardless of whether or not the person suffers from GID, it does not change that natural physical fact that the person was born with a male gender ..

It must bring into question whether or not GID is essentially a mental disorder which manifests in later life as a desire to change ones gender, but at the time of birth, the psychological mind is unable to understand the concept of gender, and therefore no right would have been impugned

The person may be female now.. but they were born male, and no amounts of judgements will change that.

[dubsthcentralboy]

I think Ireland is the last EU country to recognise the rights of transsexuals.

Do transsexuals not have rights in Ireland?
Have they a right to free speech, a right to life? etc.
Surely they have the same rights as every other citizen in the State.

[White Horse]

A man is man no matter how much he mutilates his body. If the EU thinks that retrospectively falsifying his birth cert changes anything, they are mistaken.

These poor pathetic creatures need pyschiatric help rather than people indulging their fantasies.

[ibis]

Actually, this is one of the places I disagree with people's seeking of a vindication of rights with regards to matters of gender and sexuality..

regardless of whether or not the person suffers from GID, it does not change that natural physical fact that the person was born with a male gender ..

It must bring into question whether or not GID is essentially a mental disorder which manifests in later life as a desire to change ones gender, but at the time of birth, the psychological mind is unable to understand the concept of gender, and therefore no right would have been impugned

The person may be female now.. but they were born male, and no amounts of judgements will change that.

I think that's covered in the Register of Births, which she is not seeking to have changed.

[trekkypj]

A man is man no matter how much he mutilates his body. If the EU thinks that retrospectively falsifying his birth cert changes anything, they are mistaken.

These poor pathetic creatures need pyschiatric help rather than people indulging their fantasies.

I respect your view but I don't agree with you.

Gender Identity Disorder is a condition and who are we to deprive people of being the person they want to be. If that means changing their gender surgically then so be it.

People should have the right to describe themselves legally any way they damn well wish. I have no wish to change my gender through surgery but I respect and support those who do. Their body, their choice.

[Shankill Browser]

If the EU thinks that retrospectively falsifying his birth cert changes anything, they are mistaken.

These poor pathetic creatures need pyschiatric help rather than people indulging their fantasies.

White Horse, you are falling into this ... blame the EU malarkey.

The EU has nothing to do with the ECHR. It's a completely separate thing.
The ECJ is the EU court.

[johnfás]

[quote=Shankill Browser]

If the EU thinks that retrospectively falsifying his birth cert changes anything, they are mistaken.

These poor pathetic creatures need pyschiatric help rather than people indulging their fantasies.

White Horse, you are falling into this ... blame the EU malarkey.

The EU has nothing to do with the ECHR. It's a completely separate thing.
The ECJ is the EU court.[/quote:3dxtwrl6]

Indeed the European Convention on Human Rights is established by the Council of Europe, an entirely different body which has 47 member states. The relevant international court is the European Court of Human Rights, based in Strasbourg.