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    New public consultation process on the future direction of prostitution legislation

    (I can't see a thread on the following consultation)

    Minister for Justice Alan Shatter has started a public consultation process on the future direction of legislation on prostitution.
    New consultation on prostitution laws - RT News

    The official press release is here:
    The Department of Justice and Equality: Shatter Announces Publication of Discussion Document on the Future Direction of Legislation on Prostitution

    The discussion document itself is here:
    The Department of Justice and Equality: Discussion Document on Future Direction of Prostitution Legislation

    Discussion Document on Future Direction of Prostitution Legislation

    I am pleased to publish this discussion document, which is being issued to assist a public consultation process on the future direction of legislation on prostitution.

    The criminal law in this area is being reviewed primarily because of the changed nature of prostitution in Ireland. Prostitution in this country was once mainly a street-based phenomenon. That is no longer the case. The organisation of prostitution is now much more sophisticated, highly mobile and is easily facilitated by the use of mobile phones and the internet.

    While there is a significant amount of criminal legislation in this area already, there is always scope for change and improvement. It is important to review the law periodically to ensure it is up to date and comprehensively responds to altered circumstances.

    Discussion Document on Future Direction of Prostitution Legislation http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Discu...egislation.pdf (Size - 329KB)
    The consultation has been welcomed by the Immigrant Council of Ireland:
    Broad welcome to news that prostitution laws will be reviewed - Newstalk.ie

    They are one of the members of The Turn Off The Red Light campaign:
    Who are we? | Turn Off The Red Light.ie
    There are lots of women's and feminist groups involved in that campaign.

    For some reason, Ruhama are not a member of that campaign.
    Ruhama is a Dublin-based NGO which works on a national level with women affected by prostitution and other forms of commercial sexual exploitation.
    Although it is rarely mentioned in the media, Ruhama was founded as a joint initiative of the Good Shepherd Sisters and Our Lady of Charity Sisters.
    Those two religious groups are still the Trustees.

    An alternative view is given by the “Turn Off the Blue Light” website:
    Turn Off The Blue Light | Sex workers need human rights, not legal wrongs

    Welcome to the “Turn Off the Blue Light” (TOBL) website.

    We are a sex worker led association campaigning against calls to criminalise the purchase of sex, and for the health, safety, human, civil and labour rights of sex workers in Ireland.

    There is currently a “Turn Off the Red Light” (TORL) campaign being run by an alliance of organisations. They say they want to end prostitution and sex trafficking and ‘the solution’ is to criminalise the purchasers of sex. We believe the real agenda is to have their own ideology on sex work enacted as law. Further criminalisation would drive the sex industry deeper underground and make it more dangerous for everyone. Our priority is the well being of persons in sex work, not any moral agenda, thus we strongly oppose the TORL campaign. The opposition | Turn Off The Blue Light

    We are an association of Irish sex workers and others with an interest in the welfare of sex workers in Ireland. We are led by sex workers. Membership of Turn Off the Blue Light is open to all individuals and organisations who support our objectives, but only those working in the sex industry are voting members. About | Turn Off The Blue Light

    At this current time the threat of further criminalisation is imminent, and we need sex workers to be included in this debate, not excluded, as is currently the case. Whatever your views on sex work are, it is not right that sex workers are being denied a voice in discussions on laws that will seriously impact our lives.
    Some feminists do not hold this view that prostitution should be completing eradicated. For example, from what I can recall, they believe women should be allowed make their own decisions about their body.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in the consultation and afterwards.

    I'm not sure there are many politicians who be willing to support some models of prostitution that exist in other countries e.g. tolerance zones, or what happens in Germany, where prostitution is legal (according to: Prostitution in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). I have heard of some councils in the UK facilitating disabled people use prostitutes (I think in the Netherlands).

    I believe it is likely the Swedish model will be adopted. This model means the purchasers of sex are criminalised, but the suppliers are not. This seems an unfair way to do things. However, I'm not sure if many politicians will be willing to challenge the model.

    [BTW, I have never used a prostitute (or similar services).]
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    Is this a long winded way on the part of the government of bringing prostitutes from fish nets into the tax net?
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    a public consultation on prostitution?

    for some reason i think itll look something like this:

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    The initial statements did give any place to send a written submission to.

    Press Releases, Houses of the Oireachtas

    Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality invites contributions to Review of Legislation on Prostitution

    The Joint Oireachtas Committee Justice, Defence and Equality is inviting written submissions from interested groups or individuals in relation to a review of legislation on prostitution.

    Committee Chairman David Stanton TD says: “The Minister for Justice and Equality Alan Shatter TD has referred a discussion document on the future direction of prostitution legislation to our Committee. The Committee now welcomes submissions from interested organisations and citizens in order to feed into the legislative process.

    “The Sexual Offences Act 1993 undoubtedly needs to be updated to take account of an ever more globalised and connected world. Any future legislation will need to reflect enhancements to communications technology, including internet and mobile devices, as well as increased mobility across borders.”

    View more details on making a submission Press Releases, Houses of the Oireachtas
    The closing date for receipt of submissions is Friday 11th August 2012 at 5 p.m. The Committee will consider these written submissions and may decide to invite a number of contributors to public hearings should it feel that this is necessary.

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    For further information please contact:
    Paul Hand,
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    Leinster House,
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    P: +3531 618 4484
    M: +353 87 694 9926
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    Deputies:

    Dara Calleary, Michael Creed, Alan Farrell, Anne Ferris (Vice-Chairman), john Paul Phelan, Seán Kenny, Finian McGrath, Jonathan O’Brien and David Stanton (Chairman)

    Senators:

    Ivana Bacik, Paul Bradford, Martin Conway, Rónán Mullen, Denis O’Donovan, Katherine Zappone.
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    Dog-whistle at Ruhama? Hopefully this might signal a move away from closed consultation processes with pre-arranged and known input to consulattions such as Ruhama or otherwise it could be a bit of a con because the government knows that Ruhama has the monopoly on the subject when it comes to 'civil input' in Ireland.

    I dare say if there was an organisation such as the English Collective of Prostitutes in Ireland this process would not be quite so open towards civil stakeholders.

    When you think about it there will be few people who actually know anything about prostitution in Ireland who will input to this stakeholder exercise- which is why I suspect it has been presented in this way. The appearance of consultation with the reality of the Ruhama monopoly, perhaps?
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    If they do criminalize the buyer and not the seller then perhaps the best strategy would be to for the hookers to register as a charity. Then the hookers can provide the sex for free and the john can make a voluntary donation to the charitable body.
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    Good thinking... After all, the Irish charity sector is so unregulated this just might work.
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    In fact, the john could reduce his taxes this way, and if he is a PAYE worker, couldnt the Charity claim the tax from the state?
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    Will IBEC be made liable for hiring politicians ?
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    One charity dedicated to the furtherance of the practice of holistic massage coming right up.... the poor old Irish state. Never has a state tried so hard and for so long and in so many ways to regulate human sexuality and the free market.

    And what a waste of money.

    Mind you, this is part of an international puritannical campaign which seeks to sign up UN members to 'anti-trafficking' contracts which in reality are hiding a collection of the usual wingdings behind its skirts- feminists who loathe men, the religiously inspired, harmless people who assume all prostitutes are trafficked because that is the narrative being pushed... the new puritans in other words.
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