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    Dont mind Astral, SIL. Astral is a wannabe Moderator, he has nothing better to do than troll the forum looking for things to nit pick about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    What would constitute a non-innocent victim? We don't have a death penalty, so I'm curious to hear what would warrant being blown away by a shot-gun.
    Breaking and entering, apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishTom View Post
    Dont mind Astral, SIL. Astral is a wannabe Moderator, he has nothing better to do than troll the forum looking for things to nit pick about.
    And you, my friend, are incapable of reading 'black' without thinking 'white'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    Ah, 'one of ours' versus 'one of theirs'?
    Yeah, something like that. Maybe that's an unfair example though, because that reaction was OTT even by 'settled' standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Yeah, something like that. Maybe that's an unfair example though, because that reaction was OTT even by 'settled' standards.
    You can't beat country people for hysterical over-reaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    What would constitute a non-innocent victim? We don't have a death penalty, so I'm curious to hear what would warrant being blown away by a shot-gun.
    Sorry, just read my post, I didn't mean it the way it sounds. And yes, there should be a presumption of innocence.

    Regards what would constitute a non-innocent victim, well I would look differently on two shootings, one of a drug-dealer shot by a rival, one of a young girl walking home at night. The drug-dealer played a part in his own downfall, the young girl did not. Neither warrented, but in my opinion differing levels of innocence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Yeah, something like that. Maybe that's an unfair example though, because that reaction was OTT even by 'settled' standards.
    The two types of Justice. State and Street.
    Most of us feel seperate from street justice which means we can give whatever opinion we want whichout contradicting ourselves. When it's State Justice we have a certain responsibilty and culpability.
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    Until we get v tough on crime expect to read mroe shocking stories like this, we are letting people with over 50 & 60 convictions walk the streets so what else can we expect???
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    Quote Originally Posted by newport2 View Post
    Sorry, just read my post, I didn't mean it the way it sounds. And yes, there should be a presumption of innocence.

    Regards what would constitute a non-innocent victim, well I would look differently on two shootings, one of a drug-dealer shot by a rival, one of a young girl walking home at night. The drug-dealer played a part in his own downfall, the young girl did not. Neither warrented, but in my opinion differing levels of innocence.
    Ok, a perspective explained. Does the age not come into it for you though? If a 16 year old girl, possibly poorly educated, was dealing drugs, would more or less deserving of concern?

    A genuine question....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugsey23 View Post
    Until we get v tough on crime expect to read mroe shocking stories like this, we are letting people with over 50 & 60 convictions walk the streets so what else can we expect???


    What do you suggest? A three strikes and out system?
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