Senator Rónán Mullen wants an abortion Referendum

[sic transit]

Wonder does he ever consider that those who already have the right to life might in fact lose it because he and his colleagues in the Dail and Seanad who are taking leaders allowances and huge expenses are part of a system that robs the less well off in our society of the means to sustain life.

Gotta say that's a really fine attempt at firing this so far off topic that by Page 2 we'd have forgotten the OP.

[statsman]

Very handy platform for contesting a fiveseater after the Seanad is abolished!

In fact, it would appear that since their abolition was mooted, the good senators just can't stop coming up with clever ideas for getting their names in the papers.

[ibis]

No, no, we had one already....

[sic transit]

No, no, we had one already....

Clearly some people are not happy with the answer ...

[sondagefaux]

You neglected to highlight the word 'intentional' in his quote. He is not arguing against treatment for a woman which might, as an unintended and secondary consequence, kill the unborn child.

So he'd have been against this woman getting an abortion?

The case concerned an unidentified woman in her 20s, who had a history of abnormally high blood pressure that was under control before she became pregnant. But doctors were concerned on learning of the pregnancy about the extra burden that would be placed on her heart, and they monitored her closely.

Tests showed that in the early stages of pregnancy her condition deteriorated rapidly and that before long her pulmonary hypertension – which can impair the working of the heart and lungs – had begun to seriously threaten her life. Doctors informed her that the risk of death was close to 100% if she continued with the pregnancy.

Consultations were then held with the patient, her family, her doctors and the hospital's ethics team, and the decision to go ahead with an abortion was taken in order to save the mother's life.

US Catholic hospital's ties to church cut over abortion that saved mother | World news | The Guardian

I'd welcome a referendum on abortion, so long as the question was along these lines:

'Should abortion be legal in Ireland if the pregnancy results in a threat to the life of the mother (including from a risk of suicide), and if the pregnancy results from rape (including statutory rape), and/or incest, and if the pregnancy would pose a serious risk to the mother's eyesight*, and if the pregnancy would inevitably result in a stillbirth or an anencephalic birth?'


*See Tysiac case: Tysi

[sondagefaux]

No, no, we had one already....

[LamportsEdge]

I wonder has the unistinguished member of the Oireachtas for the slightly iffy borough of Maynooth ever considered whether it is really right for him to be accepting a salary plus expenses from an employer that says abortion is legal and proper in certain circumstances?

No fear of him resigning in protest I'd say.... he's principled but not THAT principled...

[Luachara]

So he'd have been against this woman getting an abortion?



US Catholic hospital's ties to church cut over abortion that saved mother | World news | The Guardian

I'd welcome a referendum on abortion, so long as the question was along these lines:

'Should abortion be legal in Ireland if the pregnancy results in a threat to the life of the mother (including from a risk of suicide), and if the pregnancy results from rape (including statutory rape), and/or incest, and if the pregnancy would pose a serious risk to the mother's eyesight*, and if the pregnancy would inevitably result in a stillbirth or an anencephalic birth?'



*See Tysiac case: Tysi

Ivana Bacik is promoting a extrat terratorial effect with her FGM bill

"◦Have extra-territorial effect so that an Irish citizen or resident who performs FGM outside of Ireland still falls within the terms of the Act."


I lay odds that the Pro life lobby woul want to implement an extra-territorial effect to a new constitutional referendum.

[loner]

Gotta say that's a really fine attempt at firing this so far off topic that by Page 2 we'd have forgotten the OP.

Sorry sic transit but that was not my intention--its just that I get annoyed with these apologists for right to life issues when I see how they behave on other issues .

[sondagefaux]

Ivana Bacik is promoting a extrat terratorial effect with her FGM bill

"◦Have extra-territorial effect so that an Irish citizen or resident who performs FGM outside of Ireland still falls within the terms of the Act."


I lay odds that the Pro life lobby woul want to implement an extra-territorial effect to a new constitutional referendum.

Both would be pretty much impossible to enforce, and aren't very likely to pass.

The one question about abortion that Irish people have never been asked in a referendum is if it should be legalised.

I'd be willing to bet that if Irish people were asked if they wanted abortion legalised in the circumstances set out in my previous post, they'd say Yes.

I'd also be willing to bet that most Irish people would be in favour of abortion being legally available under even wider conditions, such as pregnancy resulting in other long-term, serious health problems, and where the child would be born with certain serious birth defects.