Suspended sentence for youth (with 23 previous convictions) after attacking tourist

[LOCALHERO]

The Blackrock rugger lads who kicked a young fella to death a ten years back got off scot fee. No one was calling for them to be shot.

AFIK two did time and the other found not guilty. After 23 convictions and you further go on to assault a tourist, I think it's time for a few years inside to think about mending your ways. Bear in mind any assault can easily prove fatal.

[Rocky]

We can be 99% sure that there will be a 24th cinviction. What is the purpose of a judicial system that won't act to prevent inevitable crimes by perpetrators with this kind of form?
I'm sick and tired of hearing about Moustache O'Skobie, with 76 previous convictions, being jailed for life for the murder of some poor bastard.

If there's a 24th within the next year than the suspended sentence will come back into play.

There's a lot of evidence that suggest that detaining children, does a lot more harm than good. This child is probably screwed up anyway, but then we don't know what the other 23 convictions were for, maybe simply the use of drugs and alcohol.

[Rocky]

AFIK two did time and the other found not guilty. After 23 convictions and you further go on to assault a tourist, I think it's time for a few years inside to think about mending your ways. Bear in mind any assault can easily prove fatal.

Yeah it rarely works like that. More likely he'd build up better connections with other criminals, get addicted to harder drugs, find it impossible to build a life once he gets out and so commit more and harder crimes.

[jman0war]

Yeah it rarely works like that. More likely he'd build up better connections with other criminals, get addicted to harder drugs, find it impossible to build a life once he gets out and so commit more and harder crimes.

I agree, but this is only more evidence that the justice system and penal system is failing.
It is a reason for reform.
It is not a good rationalization to let habitual offenders walk.

[MacBeth]

AFIK two did time and the other found not guilty. After 23 convictions and you further go on to assault a tourist, I think it's time for a few years inside to think about mending your ways. Bear in mind any assault can easily prove fatal.

Actually they both got off on appeal

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And perhaps this offender should do 18months in a juvenile facility but I get the feeling people are calling for extra harsh sentences based on his class and background.

[damus]

Since the kid had "no recollection" of perpetrating the attack (since he was on drugs and alcohol at the time); is there any point to doing the course?

I mean, surely the course would only benefit those that are aware of their actions at the time of the attack.

If the judge accepts that the kid had no recollection, then surely a substance abuse treatment would have been more appropriate.

It truly depends on whether he wants his substance misuse to be treated....and the misuse could also be symptomatic of other problems as well.

[Rocky]

I agree, but this is only more evidence that the justice system and penal system is failing.
It is a reason for reform.
It is not a good rationalization to let habitual offenders walk.

What's your solution?

One thing is though, there is clear evidence (or at least I've been told there is clear evidence) that not detaining children is leading to results.

[Hugo7]

He was part of an unprovoked gang attack.

The victim was a 16-yr old girl.
She was repeatedly punched and kicked during the attack.

He has 23 previous convictions.
He has missed several meetings with his probation officer.

I wonder what will happen next?

[Nermal]

More likely he'd build up better connections with other criminals, get addicted to harder drugs, find it impossible to build a life once he gets out and so commit more and harder crimes.

He's got 23 chances already, and is now receiving a 24th. He's a habitual re-offender and it's simply not worth expending the vast resources necessary to provide even a slim chance of rehabilitation. Send him to jail, and don't let him out again.

[jman0war]

My solution:

Prison Out-Sourcing.
It's too expensive for us to keep people locked up, and also provide rehabilitation systems.
But it's probably much cheaper in places like India or Bangledesh, or even Cambodia, Vietnam.