ASBO's, not a single one

[ibis]

Well there's been a reasonably low number of Murder charges brought by the Gards in the last few months. Perhaps this whole 'anti-murder' law is simply a publicity stunt!

Ah, now...that one wasn't brought in in the run-up to an election!

[baldur0300]

It shows that the ASBO's were a publicity stunt in the lead up to the election.

I agree completely. ASBOs are an unnecessary idiotic publicity stunt that fails to deal with the problem of anti-social behaviour and I am decidedly glad that few if any have been issued. Its like putting a bandage on a wound needing stitches and saying everything is ok. Instead of barely constitutional powers being given to the Gardaí, more resources have to be put in place in order to deal with anti-social behaviour.

[Dee Four]

Given that being issued with an ASBO is dependent on being served with a court order first, I'd be interested in knowing how many of these orders have been served thus far. Surely if a number of these orders have been served and no ASBOs have followed on, the scheme can be hailed as a great success?

[Dee Four]

Instead of barely constitutional powers being given to the Gardaí, more resources have to be put in place in order to deal with anti-social behaviour.

Oh, certainly... more resources needed, of course...

What resourses, from what source, deployed where, and how?

[baldur0300]

What resourses, from what source, deployed where, and how?

From the State to where its needed! More social workers dealing with at risk families. Better investment in education in at risk areas. More Gardaí on the streets. More investment in social facilities.

Dealing with the problem with substantial measues like these would be far more likely to have genuine effects rather than ASBOs which sound really good but don't tackle the problem.

[Dee Four]

What resourses, from what source, deployed where, and how?

From the State to where its needed! More social workers dealing with at risk families. Better investment in education in at risk areas. More Gardaí on the streets. More investment in social facilities.

Which taxes will you raise? Or what services will be cut? 'The State' isn't some bottomless pot you can dig in to.

Where is it needed? What families are at risk? What areas are at risk? What social facilities do you want to invest in?

Dealing with the problem with substantial measues like these would be far more likely to have genuine effects rather than ASBOs which sound really good but don't tackle the problem.

Substantial? Five sentences does not a substantial policy make.

[baldur0300]

Which taxes will you raise? Or what services will be cut? 'The State' isn't some bottomless pot you can dig in to.

Of course the state isn't a bottomless pit but investment designed to reduce criminal behaviour and increase social inclusion will pay for itself over the longterm. You could use your argument against any increase in state expenditure. And with the rate of state revenue increases still occuring in Ireland it is not something that will break the bank.

Where is it needed? What families are at risk? What areas are at risk? What social facilities do you want to invest in?

I hardly claim to be an expert in the area but there are patently obvious areas that need better investment from the state.

Substantial? Five sentences does not a substantial policy make.

Nor did I claim that my suggestions were the be all and the end all. If you want me to prepare a complex and detailed policy on the area you'll have to wait a few weeks.

[Dee Four]

Well, if you're serious about anti-social behaviour, I'm willing to wait.

Apologies if I came across agressively. I'm only trying to raise the level of debate.

You could use your argument against any increase in state expenditure.

Indeed. But it is an argument not used often enough.