3 years jail for throwing cigarette

[cyberianpan]

RTE , Fri 11 May

Clare rapist jailed for breach of terms
A 20-year-old man who received a controversial suspended sentence after being convicted of rape has been sent to prison for breaching the terms under which his sentence was suspended.

Mr Justice Paul Carney said he was satisfied he made a triumphal gesture by flicking a cigarette at Ms Shannon.

The judge said in view of the limb the court had gone out on in respect of Adam Keane, he should have acted with the greatest circumspection.

Now I think it is good that the guy is in jail now but it ought never have been a suspended sentence ...

Carney isn't admitting that his original sentence was nuts instead: Throwing a cigarette gets 3 years in jail ? This seems like a capricious near whimsical decision by Carney.... a suspended sentence ought only be lifted for far more serious reasons.... message I see now is a bit of rape is fine but cigarette throwing is wicked.

cYp

[Twin Towers]

The contempt he showed for his victim was a clear breach of the terms of his suspension. Do you really want that creature back on the streets any sooner?

[Kev408]

And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

[HanleyS]

And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

I don't like my taxes being spent on these cretins. Longer sentences mean more of my tax money and achieve little. For every one of them you put behind bars there is another on the streets. We need more creative thinking in the dept of justice.

[cyberianpan]

And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

But in effect it's 3 years jail for throwing a cigarette, not even for rape. This is Carney back-peddling & coming up with an "Oirish" solution.

More worringly it is a low bar on suspended sentences being breached, leaves a bar so low that a judge can lob out a loony suspended sentence, wait for public reaction & then consider lifting the suspension.

cYp

[Kev408]

And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

I don't like my taxes being spent on these cretins. Longer sentences mean more of my tax money and achieve little. For every one of them you put behind bars there is another on the streets. We need more creative thinking in the dept of justice.

I'd go further to say that if prisons were not the holiday camps they have recently proven to be (again), jailing these hoors would cost less. Having said that, I agree generally speaking with what you're saying re creative thinking but not in the case of sex offenders. The highest levels of recidivism occurs amongst sex offenders. Look at the guy the other day who got 7 years for attempted rape added onto an 8 year stint for actual rape. These guys need far harsher sentencing.

[HanleyS]

You don't hear much about why these people commit these crimes or measures to prevent them. I know I repeat myself, but the problems with crime are a lot more complicated than numbers of Gardai and sentencing. What about the social workers? Proper town planning? Access to education? Constitutional barriers to adoption? Join the dots.

Look around you at the social problems of today and think about the criminal minds they will produce tomorrow.

[Kev408]

And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

But in effect it's 3 years jail for throwing a cigarette, not even for rape. This is Carney back-peddling & coming up with an "Oirish" solution.

More worringly it is a low bar on suspended sentences being breached, leaves a bar so low that a judge can lob out a loony suspended sentence, wait for public reaction & then consider lifting the suspension.

cYp

cyberianpan, if he threw the cigarette butt at a total stranger and missed he was still attempting assault and therefore broke the terms of his suspended sentence. The fact he threw it at the victim of his rape on the way home from the trial is a disgrace and shows exactly the kind of wimpish degenerate we're dealing with.

The judge said the he the court went 'out on a limb' giving him a suspended sentence. Out on a limb? Thats unbelievable. Imagine if you had daughters or sisters living in the same town.

[Kev408]

You don't hear much about why these people commit these crimes or measures to prevent them. I know I repeat myself, but the problems with crime are a lot more comlicated than numbers of Gardai and sentencing. What about the social workers? Proper town planning? Access to education? Constitutional barriers to adoption? Join the dots.

Look around you at the social problems of today and think about the criminal minds they will produce tomorrow.

Absolutely. But if those things are not there and a crime is committed we can't say sentence the perpetrator more leniently because we did little for him. We can't continue this farce of constantly considering the perpetrator. Guess who almost always never gets discussed? The victims. Especially victims of sex offenders who can oftenl have their entire lives ruined and then as they sit downing their tenth gin and tonic look out the pub window and have to see the perpetrator walking down the street a year or two later. It's simply not fair and not justice. Its scandalous.

Pardon the drama but that type of thing happens.

[Twin Towers]

I don't like my taxes being spent on these cretins. Longer sentences mean more of my tax money and achieve little.

The purpose of jailing him is to keep him off the streets until hopefully he has dealt with his inner demons and is no longer a danger to women in his community. This is tax money well spent. Creative solutions for different types of crime, i agree.