3 years jail for throwing cigarette

[Kev408]

One other point. The prison wardens have stated they're not complicit in smuggling goodies into prisons. Given that most items are smuggled in in babies nappies, by their girlfriends orally, anally or vaginally we can only conclude that if the the wardens are not involved Ireland has far more serious issues in Ireland besides justice, health and the economy.

In order to smuggle in a widescreen television we have a plague of giant babies in giant nappies which won't surprise us too much given that their mothers have 36 inch widescreen mouths, anuses and vaginas. Admittedly, they're flatback screens but still.

[merle haggard]

And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

But in effect it's 3 years jail for throwing a cigarette, not even for rape. This is Carney back-peddling & coming up with an "Oirish" solution.

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wha

[cyberianpan]

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And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

But in effect it's 3 years jail for throwing a cigarette, not even for rape. This is Carney back-peddling & coming up with an "Oirish" solution.

More worringly it is a low bar on suspended sentences being breached, leaves a bar so low that a judge can lob out a loony suspended sentence, wait for public reaction & then consider lifting the suspension.

cYp

cyberianpan, if he threw the cigarette butt at a total stranger and missed he was still attempting assault and therefore broke the terms of his suspended sentence. The fact he threw it at the victim of his rape on the way home from the trial is a disgrace and shows exactly the kind of wimpish degenerate we're dealing with.

The judge said the he the court went 'out on a limb' giving him a suspended sentence. Out on a limb? Thats unbelievable. Imagine if you had daughters or sisters living in the same town.

Tecnically touching some one without consent (or good reason) is assault, as is say flicking a piece of paper at someone - however these "crimes" are never prosecuted.

Unsuspending a sentence for a butt flick is unbelievable, issue is he was 'out on a limb' & needed to concoct way back. He should never have suspended the sentence.

cYp

[Kev408]

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And I don't accept that 3 years is near enough for rape.

But in effect it's 3 years jail for throwing a cigarette, not even for rape. This is Carney back-peddling & coming up with an "Oirish" solution.

More worringly it is a low bar on suspended sentences being breached, leaves a bar so low that a judge can lob out a loony suspended sentence, wait for public reaction & then consider lifting the suspension.

cYp

cyberianpan, if he threw the cigarette butt at a total stranger and missed he was still attempting assault and therefore broke the terms of his suspended sentence. The fact he threw it at the victim of his rape on the way home from the trial is a disgrace and shows exactly the kind of wimpish degenerate we're dealing with.

The judge said the he the court went 'out on a limb' giving him a suspended sentence. Out on a limb? Thats unbelievable. Imagine if you had daughters or sisters living in the same town.

Tecnically touching some one without consent (or good reason) is assault, as is say flicking a piece of paper at someone - however these "crimes" are never prosecuted.

Unsuspending a sentence for a butt flick is unbelievable, issue is he was 'out on a limb' & needed to concoct way back. He should never have suspended the sentence.

cYp

Thats not correct. The girl and her sister reported a crime and the perpetrator who broke the terms got the original sentence reactivated. Furthermore, isn't this case already going to appeal by the DPP for a longer sentence or activation of the suspended sentence anyway? I read somewhere it was also being fast-tracked.

[merle haggard]

and what on earth has a stage Irish accent got to do with it ? are you claiming other countries dont have judges that are lenient on rapists and that try and cover their backs when theres public outcry ?

[HanleyS]

The purpose of jailing him is to keep him off the streets until hopefully he has dealt with his inner demons and is no longer a danger to women in his community. This is tax money well spent. Creative solutions for different types of crime, i agree.

It might stop him offending again. There are plenty more like him. I speak to a lot of my male peers about women, it's one of my main past times (so much so that I seldom actually get round to talking to said women ). Some boys/men have weird attitudes towards women. Often they are nice people otherwise. I often wonder what happened to them to make them think like this.

I believe a lot of money and hardship could be saved if these people were intervened with earlier on. This means all types of criminals. Psychologists in schools? Probably not. Some creativity would be nice though.

Also I don't see how prison will help him deal with his inner demons. Locking him up would more likely serve to make him worse when he comes out. Some of the programs in prison may help. I doubt how serious they are taken though. It is natural for people who are subjected to extreme exercises of power (such as imprisonment) to exercise their power to resist the forces acting on them.

[HanleyS]

Absolutely. But if those things are not there and a crime is committed we can't say sentence the perpetrator more leniently because we did little for him. We can't continue this farce of constantly considering the perpetrator.

I'm thinking more towards the future and making efforts to break the cycle. Not that the current generation of criminals should be ignored but that we should also be moving to reduce the occurence in futur generations.

Guess who almost always never gets discussed? The victims. Especially victims of sex offenders who can oftenl have their entire lives ruined and then as they sit downing their tenth gin and tonic look out the pub window and have to see the perpetrator walking down the street a year or two later. It's simply not fair and not justice. Its scandalous.

Pardon the drama but that type of thing happens.

Absolutely. The support mechanisms should be in place for these people*. Often their lives are ruined though and they will never recover or get justice, this is truly sad. This is why it is important to prevent these things happening rather than trying to make ammends afterwards.

* I know from personal experiences that often the people from these support groups and councillors are quacks and can sometimes do more harm than good. You do see some really good people though. Often they are the ones that say very little and moreso listen.

BTW It's funny to see a FFer and a FGer actually talking about politics. You'd hardly believe there was an election on.

[cyberianpan]

and what on earth has a stage Irish accent got to do with it ? are you claiming other countries dont have judges that are lenient on rapists and that try and cover their backs when theres public outcry ?

No I mean moreso it is a slapdash "Oirish" solution ... my view is that original decision was wrong this lifting of suspension whilst it produces a desirable outcome is also wrong. Carney is fixing a wrong with a wrong.

cYp

[HanleyS]

I'm sure there are hundreds of other women out there with similar stories to Ms Shannon. The only reason she got this sentence changed is because she spoke out. She shouldn't have had to do so, but that is the only reason she got this. I wouldn't say this type of shenanigans is particularly Oirish, I'm sure it happens all over the world.

[irishpeoplearewhingers]

Yeah- her courage and refusal to take ************************ is the only thing about this that has impressed me. That chick kicks ass.