why are the Gardai blamed for everything?

[rover]

i ask this in the context of the horrible tragedy in wexford the other day.

there has been the usual chorus of criticism for the gardai, the health services executive, and others. but i have to wonder:

how can the gardai and the health services possibly be blamed when two people decide to kill themselves and their children??? even if they had acted as much as they could it would have been difficult to avoid.

the only way we could avert things like this would be to have some kind of nanny state - where the authorities poke and prod into every aspect of family life. and where do you draw the line???

i have worked in the health services. i have seen people who (in my opinion) are completely unfit to be parents.

should i report them on the basis of a hunch? should the children be taken away??? that would be impossible

at the end of the day there are only 2 people to blame for that apalling act: the man and (apparently) his wife

[meriwether]

The question is- why was a Priest sent out to check up?
Of course, even had a cop called, he could have done very little to prevent it, if anything at all.

[Bacon-Egg]

i ask this in the context of the horrible tragedy in wexford the other day.

there has been the usual chorus of criticism for the gardai, the health services executive, and others. but i have to wonder:

how can the gardai and the health services possibly be blamed when two people decide to kill themselves and their children??? even if they had acted as much as they could it would have been difficult to avoid.

the only way we could avert things like this would be to have some kind of nanny state - where the authorities poke and prod into every aspect of family life. and where do you draw the line???

i have worked in the health services. i have seen people who (in my opinion) are completely unfit to be parents.

should i report them on the basis of a hunch? should the children be taken away??? that would be impossible

at the end of the day there are only 2 people to blame for that apalling act: the man and (apparently) his wife

i dont know much on this issue, however my understanding was that it wasnt the Gardai getting the blame, it was the Health services, seeing they work a Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 and are unavailable outside these hours. I think people are sorta asking why, after inital fears surfaced on the friday, it was Monday before a member of the HS attempted to make contact.

[White Horse]

i ask this in the context of the horrible tragedy in wexford the other day.

there has been the usual chorus of criticism for the gardai, the health services executive, and others. but i have to wonder:

how can the gardai and the health services possibly be blamed when two people decide to kill themselves and their children???

The Gardai and social services forewarned about the intention of two people to commit murder of children.

They failed to act to prevent this crime.

While these children were being murdered the Gardai were probably doing speed checks on motorways while the social workers were sipping cappuchinos after their arduous 35 hour week.

It was the State's repsonsibility to protect these children. The State failed abysmally.

[C.Reggan]

The question is- why was a Priest sent out to check up?

Absolutely. It's time the Catholic Church was sued by grieving relatives in such instances for failing to instill proper Christian values in the deceased. They are a disgrace !

[Schuhart]

The question is- why was a Priest sent out to check up?

I think that's the key point. Certainly, there's no way that the entire population can be subject to CCTV surveillance 24/7. But what seems to be said is that the Garda do have statutory powers to take children to a place of safety in an emergency. Presumably they've no equivalent powers for adults.

In that context, stories of them driving around the housing estate but not calling seem strange. Also, you have to wonder what possessed State employees with relevant legal standing in the situation to call in the local priest? Are we back in the 1950's?

[C.Reggan]

The Catholic Church are the alternative state here so it's no wonder they are turned to when the native state fails. Catholic bishops on appointment swear allegiance not to Ireland but to the Holy See - a foreign state represented at the UN and elsewhere - and they still resist and defy the native Irish government on a huge number of issues including adequate compensation for clerical sex abuse of children.

[meriwether]

The question is- why was a Priest sent out to check up?

Absolutely. It's time the Catholic Church was sued by grieving relatives in such instances for failing to instill proper Christian values in the deceased. They are a disgrace !

I dont know whether you're an idiot, or you think you're funny. But you are, and you're not.

It was the State's repsonsibility to protect these children. The State failed abysmally.

Not really. There were no grounds for removing the children from the parents, and this tragedy would have happened in any case.

[White Horse]

The question is- why was a Priest sent out to check up?

I think that's the key point.

No. The key point is why were the Church the only ones to get off their backsides and do something (even if it was ineffectual).

The paid servants of the State were were content to sit in their offices and make phonecalls to pass the buck on to some-one else.

They didn't give an monkeys about that family. They only cared for themselves.

[Bacon-Egg]

The question is- why was a Priest sent out to check up?

I think that's the key point.

No. The key point is why were the Church the only ones to get off their backsides and do something (even if it was ineffectual).

The paid servants of the State were were content to sit in their offices and make phonecalls to pass the buck on to some-one else.

They didn't give an monkeys about that family. They only cared for themselves.

i agree, the priest called to the house, and done as mych as he could

it was the failure of the HS that is to blame,.