Irish Judges; Are they crap or just bad?

[stringjack]

I don't quite know how to take this

:wink:

[cyberianpan]

Ok then so some consensus that a sentence is only meant to remove criminals from the street.

Not to deter nor to rehabiliate.

So thus why are all sentences not life sentences ?

[commentator]

Ok then so some consensus that a sentence is only meant to remove criminals from the street.

Not to deter nor to rehabiliate.

So thus why are all sentences not life sentences ?

A sentence is "primarily" designed to remove crims from the streets. if some remedial work can be done fine but that is secondary and frankly is largely a waste of time given that the potential crim is usially unsocialised and from failed and failing backgrounds.

In reality we are damage limiting rather than trying to undo the damage caused by leaving children in the care of inadequates which is the main cause of their initially turning to crime.

[hiker]

Is it my imagination or is the judiciary coming in for some serious public scrutiny in the last couple of years?

They are the last pillar of Old Irelands Respectocracy still standing.
The Church, The Banks , The Medical Profession , the Garda have all been exposed over the last few years as having a cosy comfortable number and are now being made to answer for their misdeeds at a time when we all looked up to them with respect and awe.

The Judiciary are the last one's left to answer to the public for their misdeeds and mistakes.
Brian Curtin is the first. I expect to see others follow.

[cyberianpan]

Ok then so some consensus that a sentence is only meant to remove criminals from the street.

Not to deter nor to rehabiliate.

So thus why are all sentences not life sentences ?

A sentence is "primarily" designed to remove crims from the streets. if some remedial work can be done fine but that is secondary and frankly is largely a waste of time given that the potential crim is usially unsocialised and from failed and failing backgrounds.

In reality we are damage limiting rather than trying to undo the damage caused by leaving children in the care of inadequates which is the main cause of their initially turning to crime.

Well as I'd pointed out the logical conclusion of:

A sentence is "primarily" designed to remove crims from the streets

as:

why are all sentences not life sentences ?

Also your argument only seems to deal with some types of criminals, the logic in it does not seem to generalise to say a onetime , "respectably employed" sex offender

Your argument seems to have many issues underpinning it most of which bear fleshing out in greater detail...

[patslatt]

The American public's vengefulness against criminals is seen at its absurd worst in California's three strikes and you're out rule which calls for a mandatory life sentence for conviction on as little as three petty crimes.

By contrast,Ireland's softly,softly approach to sentencing is at the other extreme. Often,media stories of murder and violent assault reveal that the criminals had a previous criminal record of dozens of serious crimes. It makes you wonder why some judge along the line didn't apply long sentences.


The courts seem to be doing a poor job of identifying professional career criminals and violent criminals like to commit murder or maim their victims for life. Once identified as such,these criminals need to be jailed for long periods until they reach an age,probably in their late thirties at the earliest, when they are less likly to commit violent crimes.