Georgian asylum-seeker rapes Woman -gets 10 years

[smiffy]

It's obvious from Riadach's comment that he doesn't like the idea of screening foreigners for convictions, in principle one little bit.

I think you should reread Riadach's comment, then. That's not obvious at all. What's clear is that s/he is questioning the practicality of identifying criminality in cases where people don't have criminal records.

So?

What has that got to do with Zakalwe's proposal to screen foreigners with criminal offenses?

Excuse me? Perhaps you should put that question to Riadach. However, it's reasonable, when someone is talking about screening, to raise the question of how this might be done. Indeed, zakalwe never once mentioned criminal records one way or the other.

What's odd is that you would make vast assumptions about Riadach's position, and cite his post as evidence, when the content Riadach's post does not support your contention in the slightest.

[Riadach]

I should clarify my statement then.

While I'm not opposed to criminal vetting, especially in the case of repeat offenders, I do think that it may be ineffective for the following reasons.

1 Firstly, what is required from a criminal record? Could somebody be prevented from entering the country because he was once caught in possession of cannabis, or even used as a drug mule? Or because he was in possession of fireworks. Or because they murdered someone in sel-defence? Do you think the immigration services are going to analyse each case so minutely

2 Secondly, it discounts the theory of rehabilitation. If someone commits a crime, and is not a repeat offender, surely they have paid the price. Do they need to be punished further if they have no intention of re-offending? Even if someone murdered someone (and not re-offended), should he twenty years later still be punished for a crime he has been rehabilitated for? Even if they raped someone 20 or 30 years previous, perhaps for a psychological reason they have since overcome, and not re-offended? Have they not been re-habilitated since they committed the crime? Or been a member of a terrorist organistaion while they were young and radical or while situations in their home country were oppressive?

3 Vetting may do very little. Some countries, like somalia for example, which has lacked a central government for the past 10-15, will not have such records who will still be able to enter the country, regardless of how many crimes they have committed. And what of people who have entered the country fleeing from a crime? They too will be ignored. Who do you most fear? Someone who has done their time and paid for it, or someone who has got away with it?

Although I think criminal may be valuable to weed out repeat offenders, who have no remorse for their victims, i fear the simple rubber stamp approach that all those with criminal records of any variety will be kept out
regardless of how long its been since the crime was committed, or their motivation at the time. I don't see the immigration service investing enough money to vet properly and take these things into account, thus those who have paid for their misdeeds will be unfairly judged, and we will be altogether too complacent about people with no records whatseoever.

I really do not think it will reduce crime amongst immigrants by much, but rather persecute many who have no intention of doing such.

[Desigol1979]

I favour a Canadian-style Points system for those comming into Ireland.

Though I favour European Integration, I hope for reform of the EU, towards a 'United States of Europe' where each member state has control over certain laws and Immigration.

[ailish]

I favour a Canadian-style Points system for those comming into Ireland.

Though I favour European Integration, I hope for reform of the EU, towards a 'United States of Europe' where each member state has control over certain laws and Immigration.

The thing is, the EU is becoming too big now. If Turkey gets in, we'll have to leave the EU since that will create a new wave of even greater migration to Ireland.

[secularireland]

I favour a Canadian-style Points system for those comming into Ireland.

Though I favour European Integration, I hope for reform of the EU, towards a 'United States of Europe' where each member state has control over certain laws and Immigration.

The thing is, the EU is becoming too big now. If Turkey gets in, we'll have to leave the EU since that will create a new wave of even greater migration to Ireland.

Wow Ailish, the world really is that simple after all.

[ailish]

I favour a Canadian-style Points system for those comming into Ireland.

Though I favour European Integration, I hope for reform of the EU, towards a 'United States of Europe' where each member state has control over certain laws and Immigration.

The thing is, the EU is becoming too big now. If Turkey gets in, we'll have to leave the EU since that will create a new wave of even greater migration to Ireland.

Wow Ailish, the world really is that simple after all.