Fine Gael wrong on foreign students

[USER1234]

Well, they should not be taking jobs from Irish workers. If FG supports that then they do not have the interests of the Irish people at heart.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls"]YouTube- south park-they took our jobs!!![/nomedia]

No they just don't want us to look like xenophobic loonies world wide!!!

Further why do we have to only attract students who cannot afford to maintain themselves? Or is that unforgiveable to the lefties out there?

So you want only millionaire language student here so, cause it unrealistic to expect people to save up all the money they need to go to another country and live there while learning a new language without any income!!

[Marcos the black]

Do you really need a explanation of daft the idea doesn't merit any energy wasted on it is daft

See my earlier post:

Fill excess capacity in Universities.
Plus rent accommodation
Plus spend money in the local ecomony
Plus increase tourism as parents/friends visit
Plus bring new ideas .... etc etc.

These are some of the benefits that targetting international students would bring to the Irish ecomony. In Australia 3rd level education is it's 2nd largest industry due to sucessfully marketing itself as and education hub to foreign students.
Which part of the above benefits do you consider to be daft?

[Dr Pat]

YouTube- south park-they took our jobs!!!

No they just don't want us to look like xenophobic loonies world wide!!!





So you want only millionaire language student here so cause it unrealistic to expect people to save up all the money they need to go to another country and live there while learning a new language!!

Did I say I did? I simply asked a question. If FG want to import the non-English speaking hordes of poverty stricken students, I suggest that they need to consider the negatives as well as the purported positives of the suggestion; otherwise, it will be just another half assed proposal that is eventually adopted as policy and, if implemented, will result in further chaos and confusion and disadvantage to society - but hey what the heck if it looks good on paper and gets the party a few votes from owners of English language colleges, roight?

Now,before you accuse me of being one, I am not a FFer.

[Delarivier]

Non-EU students studying medicine in RCSI are paying close to 40K euro per year, and graduate non-EU vet students in UCD are paying about 33K euro/yr. The Ph.D fees for non-EU students in UCD in the sciences are about 11K euro/year.
These fees are subsidising the ''free'' fees for Irish undergraduates who are only paying the 1500 euro registration fee (cheap, compared to the fee paid by their UK counterparts). How is subsidising Irish students a bad thing from an Irish point of view?

[Marcos the black]

Did I say I did? I simply asked a question. If FG want to import the non-English speaking hordes of poverty stricken students, I suggest that they need to consider the negatives as well as the purported positives of the suggestion; otherwise, it will be just another half assed proposal that is eventually adopted as policy and, if implemented, will result in further chaos and confusion and disadvantage to society - but hey what the heck if it looks good on paper and gets the party a few votes from owners of English language colleges, roight?

Now,before you accuse me of being one, I am not a FFer.

They're not poverty striken, they pay an average of €30K per annum to the college to attend....

[Dr Pat]

See my earlier post:

Fill excess capacity in Universities.
Plus rent accommodation
Plus spend money in the local ecomony
Plus increase tourism as parents/friends visit
Plus bring new ideas .... etc etc.

These are some of the benefits that targetting international students would bring to the Irish ecomony. In Australia 3rd level education is it's 2nd largest industry due to sucessfully marketing itself as and education hub to foreign students.
Which part of the above benefits do you consider to be daft?

Australia is not suffering an economic slump; it has carefully controlled and nuanced immigration policies and strict enforcement. Further, it actively seeks immigration. Ireland is in a completely different situation. The comparison doesn't stand up.

[Dr Pat]

They're not poverty striken, they pay an average of €30K per annum to the college to attend....

Answer the concerns outlined in cloneycavenman's earlier post, please. It is all well and good to promote further immigration to Ireland but please consider the negatives as well as the positives before adopting it as policy.

[Marcos the black]

Australia is not suffering an economic slump; it has carefully controlled and nuanced immigration policies and strict enforcement. Further, it actively seeks immigration. Ireland is in a completely different situation. The comparison doesn't stand up.

By the way, just what are you a doctor of????

Maybe because of all the money the foreign students are bringing into the country.

Besides the "They're taking all of our jobs" arguement, which they're not, by the way, what else have you got?

[USER1234]

Did I say I did? I simply asked a question. If FG want to import the non-English speaking hordes of poverty stricken students, I suggest that they need to consider the negatives as well as the purported positives of the suggestion; otherwise, it will be just another half assed proposal that is eventually adopted as policy and, if implemented, will result in further chaos and confusion and disadvantage to society

1) non-English speaking hordes of poverty stricken students is very pejorative way of speaking of students looking to come here to learn

2) Im sure they have looked at all sides

but hey what the heck if it looks good on paper and gets the party a few votes from owners of English language colleges, roight?

Im saddened by your cynicism!!

Now,before you accuse me of being one, I am not a FFer.

i would never accuse you of being a FFer

[FutureTaoiseach]

It is sounds some thing like usual cliche, I am not ----- but <spewing venom goes here>




One word, RCSI tell me how many students percentage is from non-eu from RCSI?

Do you know how many hours RCSI student spend study becoming world class surgeon?

Try this, Smurfit Business School post grad students how many are Non-EU graduates?

Do you have any clue how much is the fees for NON-EU students?

Hello Bello. Know all about you. You are a disgrace that has outstayed your welcome in our country by what you were convicted of doing.

Non-EU students studying medicine in RCSI are paying close to 40K euro per year, and graduate non-EU vet students in UCD are paying about 33K euro/yr. The Ph.D fees for non-EU students in UCD in the sciences are about 11K euro/year.
These fees are subsidising the ''free'' fees for Irish undergraduates who are only paying the 1500 euro registration fee (cheap, compared to the fee paid by their UK counterparts). How is subsidising Irish students a bad thing from an Irish point of view?

It forces universities into encouraging non-EEA immigration, which will compete with 400,000 Irish unemployed for work. The system needs to be changed to end this overdependence. The wealthy dhould be forced to pay tuition-fees. Universities need to be allowed to raise private capital on the Stock Exchange. To import 40,000 more non-EEA students without first piutting in place a system of registration of the 'schools' is irresponsible in the extreme. We need compulsory registration of English-language schools, and pre-registration of non-EEA students (as the UK is planning), Otherwise, the system will become little more than another scam to traffic illegal-immigrants into the State.

To those who ask for evidence the system is being abused: see the links on the OP including from Dail proceedings.