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    The Murphy report was critical of the actions of Garda Commissioner Daniel Costigan, who it found had intervened to prevent investigations into clerical abusers in Dublin. Retired gardai who spoke to the Sunday Independent last week concurred with the findings of Judge Murphy that certain gardai were effectively under the control of the Catholic Church.
    Says it all. Throw out the church, reform the Gardai, then inestigate the government
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilbarry1 View Post
    As with the current hysteria, it was the Evening Herald that made the running in April 2001 about the alleged murder of William Delaney. Imediately after the boy's body was exhumed they had placards all around Dublin screaming "Now It's Murder Inquiry". (This was on 19 or 20 April ). However it wasn't. The following story was buried on an inside page and the pathologists report is buried inside the story.

    Abuse Claims Rocket After Exhumation

    Evening Herald, Friday April 27 2001, by Brian McDonald


    THIRTY more former residents of the Letterfrack reformatory in Connemara have come forward over the past week to make allegations of sexual and physical abuse against Christian Brothers and some members of the lay staff who worked there.

    The new complaints to gardai followed last week's exhumation of the remains of a 13-year-old boy at a Kilkenny graveyard. The exhumation of the remains of Willie Delaney who died in 1970 was sparked by allegations in formal statements by some former residents of the Letterfrack institution that Willie had been badly assaulted in Letterfrack shortly before he died.

    Assistant State Pathologist Dr Marie Cassidy conducted a post mortem at St Luke's Hospital in Kilkenny and more detailed examinations in Dublin. These have revealed that Willie died from natural causes.

    Since last week the garda investigative team in Clifden has been contacted by about 30 former pupils, all making allegations of physical or sexual abuse.

    They are now dealing with 140 complaints against 29 Christian Brothers and some lay staff. Only four of these are still members of the Christian Brothers order, 11 have left and 10 have died.
    I may have given the impression that only "tabloid trash" are responsible for creating hysteria about child killing. In fact the behaviour of the Irish Times was even worse. At least when the Herald put up their placards screaming "Now It's Murder Inquiry", the results of the post-mortem were not available. The Irish Times repeated the slander two years LATER.

    It happened in November 2003 when Christian Brother Maurice Tobin was convicted of abusing boys in Letterfrack. Practically every brother who ever worked in Letterfrack was accused, he was the only one convicted and the Irish Times thought this was a good time to engage in a spot of slander. Their report on the the case by Leim Reid on 27 November 2003 ended as follows:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...806377634.html

    The Letterfrack investigation also involved the exhumation of the body of a boy, Willie Delaney, in April 2001, who had died soon after he was released home from Letterfrack in July 1970. He had been sent to Letterfrack in 1967 for stealing a bicycle.

    The gardaí had received allegations that the boy had received a beating with a flagpole by a brother before he had been sent home. The post-mortem revealed the boy had died from an untreated infection.

    Investigating gardaí were told that the infection could have been easily treated with antibiotics, which were widely available at the time.

    The post-mortem also found evidence that the boy had received a blow to the head.


    On December 11, 2003 the Irish Times published the following letter from Brother Edmund Garvey.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...094500448.html

    Report on boy's death

    Madam, - The assertion by Liam Reid in your edition of November 27th concerning the post-mortem into the death of young William Delaney is seriously incorrect and the Christian Brothers wish to set the record straight. In doing so, we do not want to cause further distress to relatives of the deceased.

    The post-mortem on William Delaney in April 2001 did not find evidence that the boy had received a blow to the head.

    Any claim or report to the contrary was not substantiated in that there was no evidence of violence or trauma in the report of the Assistant State Pathologist. - Yours etc.,

    Brother EDMUND GARVEY, Director of Communications, Christian Brothers, Dublin 7

    The Irish Times have a long and poisonous history of publishing Blood Libels against people they don't like. Try Googling the phrases "Murder of the Undead" or "Victimless Murders" and you will come across some other examples of Blood Libel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusflower View Post
    I know people who were shockingly abused in institutions. What they say is irrefutible and nothing whatsoever to do with "recovered memory". The Church as a whole I think should be excluded from any state funded role in child care or education and all matters of child protection should be dealt with by state and not church channels.

    I'm also aware that a nun and a gardner were wrongly convicted and spent years in jail not long ago for rape in a case in which press hysteria played a part and in which the guards and prosecution were remiss. This is the same press that must have over the years turned its back on the drip of stories of abuse.

    The fact that a Guard believes someone has committed a crime does not in my experience always mean that was the case. It shouldn't be beyond us to get justice for people who were abused without engaging in witch hunts of possibly innocent people. It should be taken into the Courts and justice done the best we can.
    The problem in this country is that no attempt is made to investigate such crimes until a witch hunt ensues. None of us could even in 2009 can be confident that the Gardaí would investigate these old cases even with the media attention. Without it the victims may as well never have existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilbarry1 View Post
    As with the current hysteria,
    This current 'hysteria' you talk of, would it have anything to do with quite recent judicial findings allied with Archbigot Mcquaid's and Cardinal Connell's secret files. Secret files, mind you, cataloguing horrendous abuse perpetrated on children by priests?

    From the Cardinal's Secret Archives:

    • A priest fondled a child while hearing her confession and washed his hands afterwards in an altar bowl
    • A priest admitted to using a crucifix to sexually abuse a young girl
    • A priest passed himself off as a healer with special powers to manipulate vulnerable young men
    • Two paedophile priests apparently shared their victims, each priest abusing the same vulnerable child
    • Some clerical sex offenders who served their sentences were released without supervision.
    • The insurance company Church and General, which partly indemnified the diocese in cases of sexual violence, shredded all its files concerning claims against clerical sex abusers prior to 1996

    ALL four previous archbishops of Dublin were aware of CLEGRY SEXUAL TERRORISM by priests in the Dublin Diocese but did not begin reporting them to Gardai until mid-1995.

    The implication of your post ex-Brother Rory is that Cardinal Connell is responsible for the current 'hysteria' !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Didimus View Post
    As I pointed out earlier in the thread the same journalist seemed to point the finger in a few different directions in an earlier article:
    Savagery in Sligo - Features, Unsorted - Independent.ie

    I am happy that the case is being reinvestigated, and while it would not prove or disprove his innocence it would at least remove innuendo if the late Fr Kelly's order could make public their records as to the date of his appointment to Botswana.

    It would also be interesting to hear about the alibi of Bob Reynolds who is alleged to have been in the immediate area at the time of the murder, and was later convicted of the kidnapping and sexual assault of several young girls in the north west region.
    New evidence emerged in the case, many years later. A man, who was then a young boy, came forward to say that a man had attempted to grab him and force him into a car, a few days before the girl disappeared (the exact details are now a little hazy).
    It was claimed that the girl would never have got into a car with a stranger and that the monk would only have had to ask her to get into the car. And yet, her purse and money were found scattered beside her bicycle, indicating that she was forced into a vehicle.

    It would seem that, in the absence of other suspects, some had people made up their minds about who was the guilty party and it all made for a great conspiracy theory, which has been perpetuated over the years.
    There may well have been interference from the RCC, as it tried to protect its own, but the other attempted abduction and the presence of Reynolds are cause for another, greater suspicion.

    The newspapers have found a way to sell, on the back of the current anti-church sentiment, so don't expect much balance from that quarter.
    As for the gardai re-opening the investigation - knowing a little about the gardai, I doubt very much that it was ever closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post
    .........
    It would seem that, in the absence of other suspects, some had people made up their minds about who was the guilty party and it all made for a great conspiracy theory, which has been perpetuated over the years.
    There may well have been interference from the RCC, as it tried to protect its own, but the other attempted abduction and the presence of Reynolds are cause for another, greater suspicion.

    The newspapers have found a way to sell, on the back of the current anti-church sentiment, so don't expect much balance from that quarter.
    As for the gardai re-opening the investigation - knowing a little about the gardai, I doubt very much that it was ever closed.
    Correct. See the story in todays Irish Independent
    Gardai re-open case into 40-year-old murder of schoolgirl - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
    and especially the following:

    The murder returned to the spotlight following the publication of the Murphy report, after members of the Connolly family expressed concerns that Gardai may have been stopped from fully investigating a priest who is believed to have been the chief suspect in the case.

    It's clear that there is NO new evidence. The reason for the current hysteria is the Murphy Report on the Dublin Archdiocese which has nothing at all to do with child killing allegations.

    I wrote before about how the Irish Times claimed in November 2003 that

    "The post-mortem [on William Delaney] also found evidence that the boy had received a blow to the head."

    The post-mortem in April 2001 found nothing of the sort. However a Christian Brother had just been found guilty of child abuse and the Irish Times thought that this was a good opportunity to repeat a Blood Libel. The Independent and the Herald are doing much the same now. They care as little about Bernadette Connolly as the Times did about William Delaney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post
    New evidence emerged in the case, many years later. A man, who was then a young boy, came forward to say that a man had attempted to grab him and force him into a car, a few days before the girl disappeared (the exact details are now a little hazy).
    It was claimed that the girl would never have got into a car with a stranger and that the monk would only have had to ask her to get into the car. And yet, her purse and money were found scattered beside her bicycle, indicating that she was forced into a vehicle.

    It would seem that, in the absence of other suspects, some had people made up their minds about who was the guilty party and it all made for a great conspiracy theory, which has been perpetuated over the years.
    There may well have been interference from the RCC, as it tried to protect its own, but the other attempted abduction and the presence of Reynolds are cause for another, greater suspicion.

    The newspapers have found a way to sell, on the back of the current anti-church sentiment, so don't expect much balance from that quarter.
    As for the gardai re-opening the investigation - knowing a little about the gardai, I doubt very much that it was ever closed.
    Interesting article in the Irish Independent on Thursday
    Child killer charged with girl's murder 28 years on - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

    This guy Robert Black now aged 62, killed three young girls aged between five and eleven in the 1980s and is now being charged with the murder of a 4th girl aged nine in 1981. Jennifer Cardy from Ballinderry, near Lisburn, Co Down, was snatched as she cycled to a friend's house in August 1981. Her red bike was discovered in a field close to her home. Black's job at the time took him all over the UK including Northern Ireland. According to the article "In recorded conversations Black had with sex-crime expert Ray Wyre while awaiting trial in Scotland in 1990, the killer admitted he had targeted girls on bikes".

    Black would have been 23 in 1970 the year Bernadette Connolly was murdered and her home in Co. Sligo is not far from the border. There are very obvious similarities between his modus operandi and THAT murder. However the Irish Independent doesn't even mention the fact. Since they are determined to blame the Catholic Church, they don't want to confuse people's minds with other ideas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilbarry1 View Post
    Interesting article in the Irish Independent on Thursday

    This guy Robert Black now aged 62, killed three young ---

    Black would have been 23 in 1970 the year Bernadette Connolly was murdered and her home in Co. Sligo is not far from the border. There are very obvious similarities between his modus operandi and THAT murder. However the Irish Independent doesn't even mention the fact. Since they are determined to blame the Catholic Church, they don't want to confuse people's minds with other ideas!

    This is interesting and raises some very valid points. I assume the Garda and the PSNI will look into the possibility that he may have crossed the border. Indeed, now that he is unlikely ever to be released from prison and since he is clearly a big-time flake, why wouldn't he confess to the murder in Sligo if he did it?

    Kilbarry's assumption that everything that isn't mentioned is an attack on the Catholic Church verges on paranoia. No one is saying the murder was committed by a now-deceased priest, but simply demanding to know why the religious order in question and the church in general persists in its obsessive secrecy and does not answer some obvious questions - such as when was the decision made to send the priest off to Africa and why - and release any relevant documentation from the period that might throw more light on the case.

    The victims' family deserve that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilbarry1 View Post
    I wrote before about how the Irish Times claimed in November 2003 that

    "The post-mortem [on William Delaney] also found evidence that the boy had received a blow to the head."

    The post-mortem in April 2001 found nothing of the sort. However a Christian Brother had just been found guilty of child abuse and the Irish Times thought that this was a good opportunity to repeat a Blood Libel. The Independent and the Herald are doing much the same now. They care as little about Bernadette Connolly as the Times did about William Delaney.
    Kilbarry1 Wrote:
    At this stage the idea that members of a political and social elite are engaged in the mass sexual abuse of children is practically normal Hysteria They [the allegations] appear to be a way in which the great unwashed try to bring down their political and social superiors by inventing vile fantasies about them. It may be that such fantasies always existed, but decades ago respectable newspapers would not have touched them. Nowadays they promote them!
    - My emphasis.

    Describing us as 'the great unwashed' is nothing new from members (or ex-members) or the Religious Orders who've been forced by the weight of facts to apologise for the abuses committed in their care. At the Child Abuse Commission we were described as the 'children of ne'er do wells' ! Yet from internal Christian Brothers documents we were described as 'as vital economic assets'. You ought to come clean on your affiliations Kilbarry1 - are you or have you ever been a member of a Religious Order? Perhaps the De La Salle Religious Order? And has this Religious Order apologised for abusing children? If so, do you have issues with the apology/apologies? If you were a member of this Order why did you leave the Religious Order?


    Kilbaarry1 Wrote:
    In April 2001 the Gardai exhumed the body of William Delaney who had died at home while on holidays from Letterfrack in 1970. There were lurid media reports that he had been savagely beaten by a Christian Brother. The coroner's report found that he had died of natural causes.
    You are being economical with the truth Kilbarry1 - Lets go along to the Child Abuse Commission and read the facts.

    At The Child Abuse Commission:
    When questioned on the at the Child Abuse Commission the Christian Brothers responses to questions about William Delaney were:

    Q. Just before you move on to that, dealing with that postmortem report, it does postulate that perhaps that boy [William Delaney] had died of a middle ear infection?

    A. Correct.
    Q.
    "Which spread to the brain causing encephalitis or a cerebral abscess which, if untreated, would have led to his death." Then the following appears in the report: "This would have been painful and he would have complained of sore neck, earache and headaches."

    Q. Is there anything in the medical records to show that a boy was being treated for painful ...

    A. I would have to check that from the medical record, I just haven't got that information here, but I would just have to check that. It could well be that there was, I don't know.
    He doesn't know!! Well that's a surprise ! I thought these guys knew everything!

    The implication here is that William was left untreated for sore neck, earache and headaches by the very people who were in charge of his care.

    Needless to say Kilbarry1 the Christian Brothers could not produce medical records for William Delaney who, incidentally, was boxed repeatedly by at least one Christian Brother on his ear a couple of days BEFORE he went to visit his family - according to reports. On the Medical Records issue: very few medical records of child detainees have been produced - some height and weight charts have been 'discovered' to the Commission I believe but not many on actual treatments that children may have received. Strangely many drug experiments were carried out on Industrial Schools children for which the religious Orders were paid handsomely - yet there are no sight (as yet(!) as to the results of these Drug Experiments. Paradoxically the same Religious Orders were extremely diligent in producing First Communion records and Confirmation Records on the children in their care!

    About William Delaney
    William Delaney was a child slave. The conditions of child slaves in west Africa as described by UNICEF - hard labour, deprivation of family life, lack of education, sexual exploitation - are precisely those that prevailed at Letterfrack and throughout the industrial school system. When Willie Delaney was sent to Letterfrack as a 10-year-old in 1967, St Joseph's was essentially a labour camp for children. Until it closed in 1974, it advertised the extraordinary list of services on the institution's letterhead: "Orders Received in Tailoring, Bootmaking, Carpentry, Bakery, Cartmaking, Smithwork. Also Wire Mattress, Hosiery, Hearth Rugs, Motors Repaired, Petrol & Oils Supplied."

    Though it was meant to be a school, the education of boys like Willie Delaney took second place to unpaid labour in the workshops that provided these services and on the large farm attached to the institution. While he was there, an internal Department of Education memo acknowledged the utter inadequacy of schooling, due in part to "pupils, having to undertake tiring physical work in the afternoons due to (the) shortage of paid labour in the institution". The Christian Brothers, who ran St Joseph's, saw the children in their care as vital economic assets. The financial health of Letterfrack depended on securing as many boys as possible of what the Brothers' internal visitors' report for 1953 calls "these children who mean so much financially to the institution"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didimus View Post
    As I pointed out earlier in the thread the same journalist seemed to point the finger in a few different directions in an earlier article:
    Savagery in Sligo - Features, Unsorted - Independent.ie

    I am happy that the case is being reinvestigated, and while it would not prove or disprove his innocence it would at least remove innuendo if the late Fr Kelly's order could make public their records as to the date of his appointment to Botswana.

    It would also be interesting to hear about the alibi of Bob Reynolds who is alleged to have been in the immediate area at the time of the murder, and was later convicted of the kidnapping and sexual assault of several young girls in the north west region.
    I have just come across another article by Brighid McLaughlin - this time in the Sunday Independent two weeks ago (13 December). It does not appear to be on their website so maybe the Indo don't want their own words to be used against them. It is advertised on the front page with the title "Brighid and the Priest Prime Subject for Murder" - beside a fetching photo of Ms McLaughlin. The whole of page 3 is taken up with the story. The heading is "Face to face with the prime suspects in case of girl who never came home". The article begins:

    It is more than a decade since the artist and journalist Bridgid McLaughlin sat down with the prime suspects for the murder of a 10-year old schoolgirl and asked them to account for their movements. One was a monk, the other a priest; suspicion fell on both for the shocking murder of Bernadette Connolly, who had been sexually assaulted and strangled, her body lying undiscovered in a bog for four months. ....... Suspicion fell on the local monastery. The prime suspects for the girls murder were a priest Fr Columba Kelly, who is now dead and a religious brother, who is still alive."

    Completely missing is any mention of Bob Reynolds who as Didimus points out was is alleged to have been in the immediate area at the time of the murder, and was later convicted of the kidnapping and sexual assault of several young girls in the north west region.

    And also per Didimus - it was the very same Brighid McLaughlin who previously claimed that Bob Reynolds was in the area at the time of the child's murder.

    Savagery in Sligo - Features, Unsorted - Independent.ie

    On the day before Bernadette disappeared, or the day after, I can't remember which one, I saw their car coming from Cloonnamahon. [Bob Reynolds and another man] were driving on the very lane that she was abducted. I'll show you where I saw them tomorrow morning," he said kindly............"Hop into the car," said Sandy the following morning. The roads deeply rutted and rough, unrolled Sandy and me towards Annaghmore. The countryside was remote and grey. The sky bland like tofu. The stench of sillage nearly knocked me out. "This is where I saw them," said Sandy as the car drove under a railway bridge and turned towards Ballymote on the main road. "I told my father that I had seen the pair of them driving and he took note. When we were asked by the gardai to report any sightings of strangers I did."

    Sandy shows me the wall where Bernadette's bike was found and the road leads us exactly to Gerry Connolly's old house. It was a chilling finale. I felt shellshocked and I moved through the rest of the day in a haze of disbelief.

    Back in Dublin I called retired Detective John Courtney, who headed the murder investigation 30 years ago. "Bob Reynolds?" he said. "I'd never forget him. He was arrested in 1973 for the abduction, rape and attempted murder of a nine-year-old girl in Castlebar."


    The above is from an article "Savagery in Sligo" by Brighid McLaughlin in Sunday Independent on 8 September 2002. There is no mention of this scenario or of Bob Reynolds in her article two weeks ago. This journalist plays up to public hysteria, Bob Reynolds is old news so she plays up to the CURRENT hysteria.
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