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About LinkBacksYour evidence for this? I was involved in that campaign and I canvassed for No.2s for Higgins as did the others I canvassed with.Originally Posted by JollyRedGiant
Your evidence for this? I was involved in that campaign and I canvassed for No.2s for Higgins as did the others I canvassed with.
"The rich always betray the poor"- Henry Joy McCracken
I can't comment on the claim made about Ballyfermot as I simply don't know. It is a fact that Militant Labour approached the Workers Party before that election for a transfer pact and that the Workers Party refused.
the glasses may not be the problem JRG only sees red !
... nothing wrong with that I suppose- better than orange or green ...
Did Stalin ever call himself a socialist by the way?
Why do those of a left persusion feel so free in throwing insults at each other ? Stalinist! Trot!
the tiny left in Ireland cannot even unite at a local level, what hope is there for a Socialst United Ireland or a United Ireland in any socialist context ?
The Stickies deserve a special place in Irish society; against a wall, blindfolds optional.
Why do you constantly recourse to (innacurate) name calling rather than answer a simple political question ?
And why do you fiddle around with altering other people's words when you "quote"?
I would hazard a guess at not-so-ex Stalinist, if I was going to go down that road. Or possibly, Jesuit.
Last edited by cactusflower; 6th October 2009 at 09:02 PM.
So was I - canvassed in Ballyfermot - was told by several voters that the WP has asked them to vote 1 MacGiolla and 2 Lenihan and put Higgins at the bottom of the ballot.
Was also at the count and there were 127 votes from Ballyfermot boxes that I counted (and there could have been more) - that had 1 MacGiolla, 2 Lenihan, 3-12 for every other candidate and 13 Higgins. The FF'ers were splitting themselves laughing at the fact that the WP were going to help them win the seat. When MacGiolla was confronted about it by a member of the SP he blew a gasket and stormed off.
MacGiolla was eliminated with 4880 votes. 1458 went to Joe Higgins - less than 30% - 1700 went to Morrissey and Lenihan and another 1700 were non-transferrable.
Because I never claimed you were a member of the SWP - I claimed that you were adopting the same position as the SWP. Now are you denying that you are a former member of the SWP?
Last edited by JollyRedGiant; 6th October 2009 at 10:56 PM.
It's bizarre, isn't it? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I think it points up the continued presence and influence of (ex) stickies in the meedja, and trade union and political establishments. When you think of the muck thrown at FF, and to a lesser extend FG, for their involvement in planning dodginess in the 80s, (much of the criticism coming from (ex) sticky elements) and compare that to the fact that at the very same time a party then in the Dail (and which now provides the majority of the leadership of Labour) had their own private militia involved in criminality, the hypocrisy is incredible. I've posted on here before about how ex stickie leaders now in the Labour party are never questioned about certain OIRA killings, and why this appears odd to me, compared to the virulent attacks that continue on PSF. Not to mention that the Workers Party in the 80s was quite obviously intent on subverting the state for the benefit of the USSR. But it doesn't seem to be an issue for anybody at all. Strange indeed.
Anyway, I'm about half way through the book in question. It is good at illustrating the spilts in the Official Republican movement and the divergence in views between those who were primarily unity-orientated and those that moved to a more orthodox far-left platform. But, on the negative side, it has an almost oppressive level of detail, and much of it reads along the lines of "Incident X happened with Mr A, and then incident Y occured with Volunteer B, and then Comrade C was involved in event Z" with not enough of an over-arching view to bring everything together. And as others have pointed out, the references are very poorly arranged, and essentially worthless.
But a good read all the same. The extreme revolutionary fervour of those times is quite hard to envisage in our post-ideological age
Good man
Good man
Sick deluded fanatics, lost in the murderous fantasy,
still dreaming of putting people up against walls and killing them because they think differently ...most normal people fantasise about the world of love , their families and work
'Up against a wall with a blindfold' is an advance from murdering small farmers in their tractors in Fermanagh
You seem confused and forgetful. You claimed it but you were not able to demonstrate it with reference to anything I've posted.
Now, are you denying that you are a former Stalinist / Jesuit ?
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