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Will be picking up a copy during the week.
Looks very interesting, thanks for the heads up
The Provos only on a few occasions engaged in killing people for their religion and than under circumstances of extreme pressure and without the blessing of the Army Council. The fact that there were not many more of these incidents given the situation in which they were operating is to the Provos credit. As for breaking the connection with England I hardly thinking in practice backing up the British state's "Ulsterization, Normalization, Criminalization" policy was hardly going to go towards that. Recognising the reality that the working class in the occupied six counties is split between those who support British Imperialism and those who are opposed it is hardly sectarian, its living in the real world.Originally Posted by Garibaldy
A good discussion on the reactionary nature of much "economnism".
http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/...tlers_cio.html
A brillant article explaining the postition of Seamus Costello and James Connolly
The Incompatibility of Green and Orange inniu
"without army council authorization" - your dangerously delusional in your posts
I suggest you look at what they were up during their ceasefire with the Brits if you think it was only a few occasions, never mind all the other incidents before and after.
There is a more fundamental question though, and that is the nature of sectarian politics. The republican position is to go out and agitate among all the people of Ireland, and not limit yourself to the representatives of one segment.
How is he, he is quite correct.
How is that panning out, amongs the Protestant people in the North ?
I agree that PSF have become a sectarian party but still much less so than the SDLP who I notice the WP was much less critical of but this development has gone hand in hand with their intergration into and acceptance of the colonial structure. Did the WP oppose the sectarian GFA which insituationalizes sectarianism?
Also I think you will find that the IRSP does its best to agitate within and form links with the segment of the working class traditionally loyal to Imperialism without however ignoring the "elephant in the room". Never the less you are ignoring the fact that the loyalist working class had choosen to ally itself with British Imperialism against its neighbours long before the Provos came along. Would you also say that Azanian/South African freedom fighters should not have engaged in armed struggle until they had won over most of the white working class because otherwise they would have been "racist" and re-enforcing "racial divisions"?
The WP has always criticised all parties who engage in sectarian politics. We supported the GFA with reservations. The main point being that this was the best way to prevent workers being killed for their religion for another three decades.
NI was founded illegitimately, but it exists with the support of the majority of its people. That is the reality. And it is a different reality, a very different reality, to the like of South Africa.
the point of politics is to change peoples minds. just because someone supports the union dosent mean they always will. if people resign them selfs to the belief that people can't be turned then practicaly your relying on the minority nationalist community in the six counties to be the spear head of change which is fine if there homonogous but there not, brake nationalism down again an theres varying different shades, of which socialist republicanism is only one, which makes it a minority of a minority, what would be needed under those circumstances to push the agenda trough that the provos didn't do, they had the disipline and the will, they lasted longer in the field than any other generation in irish history so thats not enough.
numbers have to be increassed, the more support you have the more abilities you have, working class protestants is the only way to go if you don't want to compromise with bouguairse nationalists and there will be problems, yes orangism has a strong hold in the protestant working class community yes were dealing with stong cultural ideological ties etc but its the only place left to go. it hasn't been sucessfull up to this point because it hasn't been tried.
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provided by those nice people in the anarchists. apparently 300 gardai two navy boats and one gardai chopper as of thurs 25th june. so if you want to rob a bank or pirate a ship of say wexford do it this week.
Did the WP ever refer to the sectarian SDLP as "green fascists" like they did to the basically non-sectarian Provos?
So do you accept the Orange veto on Irish self-determination?
I realise that the situation in Azania/South Africa is different, however my point still stands...sectarianism in the occupied six counties is a product of British Imperialism and in order to remove it first its root cause must be taken out therefore it makes no sense to wait for working class unity in order to set about destorying the cause of that disunity...The fact that the loyalist working class has allied itself with one of the most murderous forces in the history of the world cannot be glossed over. Im sure there are plenty of BNP voters who are "good" Trade Unionists.
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