Bloody Sunday 1920

[Trojanhorse]

I was wondering if anyone has the most Up-to date information on Bloody Sunday 1920. I know the basic story but having some done some research on it recently discovered some inaccuracies in the traditional telling.
For instance is anyone aware of any shots being fired from the crowd first that would have made the Auxies fire on the crowd?

Also Michael Hogan, often recorded as the captain of the Tipp team but apparently was not actually.


If anyone has any good info please pass it on or direct me to where I can get reliable sources

[martin TYRONE]

Scouts in the spectator stand may have fired warning shots that military were aproaching--some say yes others say no and no one really knows

Michael Collins got credit for planning it---he was part of it but it was a joint GHQ decision---Dick Mc Kee did most of the organising---Collins Inteligence dept provided some of the names and addresses but the Dublin Brigade provided most

The killings of the agents were meant to coincide with the sabotaging of Liverpool docks and warehouses,Manchester power plants and London timber yards---The English part of the op was led by Rory O Connor---as a result of Dick Mulcahys office being raided and plans being captured only the Liverpool arson attacks went ahead

A second cousin of Michael Davitt who worked for the dept of agriculture and was in Dublin to buy horses was shot dead having been mistaken for a British agent---

Not all the men were intelligence agents some were just court martial officers

[Catalpa]

Scouts in the spectator stand may have fired warning shots that military were aproaching--some say yes others say no and no one really knows

Michael Collins got credit for planning it---he was part of it but it was a joint GHQ decision---Dick Mc Kee did most of the organising---Collins Inteligence dept provided some of the names and addresses but the Dublin Brigade provided most

The killings of the agents were meant to coincide with the sabotaging of Liverpool docks and warehouses,Manchester power plants and London timber yards---The English part of the op was led by Rory O Connor---as a result of Dick Mulcahys office being raided and plans being captured only the Liverpool arson attacks went ahead

A second cousin of Michael Davitt who worked for the dept of agriculture and was in Dublin to buy horses was shot dead having been mistaken for a British agent---

Not all the men were intelligence agents some were just court martial officers

Long overdue a fresh look. I once held in my hand a Mauser carried by one of the Hit Teams that day but the target could not be found!

[PAUL MEYER]

I've been doing some reading about this period in Irish history of late and a guy called Frank Teeling crops up occasionally as a member of "the Squad", if I recall correctly. Anyone know anything about him?

[False_promises]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"] Frank Teeling was my great-great uncle. Hewas part of the squad of 22 which was sent to assasinate Lieutenant Angliss and Lieutenant Peel. He was wounded in a gun battle with the Auxilaries in the laneway outside the house and captured. He was sentenced to death in Kilmainham but escaped with two others.

In his later life it appears he developed a drinking problem and killed a man-William Johnson. I asked around and none of my living relatives could remember ever being told this but I think it must be true as I have found many sites online stating this.

Frank Teeling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[merle haggard]

Michael Collins got credit for planning it--

the british and his partisan supporters creditted him with everything under the sun . If you read the actual detailed accounts of the war youll find thats far from the case . His contribution as reagrds military operations was neglible , non existent in his own county - by far the most active - which barely received a single round from him .

[Clanrickard]

His contribution as reagrds military operations was neglible , .

What a load of crap. even from you.

[merle haggard]

What a load of crap. even from you.

ah go on , tell us how the brits never knew what he looked like and how he cycled around central dublin like the emerald pimpernell in broad daylight on a daily basis for 3 years, all 6 foot 3 of him with the big head and jaws . Never get tired of listening to that one .

[walrusgumble]

What a load of crap. even from you.

read books written by tom barry and earney o'malley or michael hutchinsons book on the war. many country brigades resented the ghq and often considered some as mere pun pushers , eg richard mulcahy (unfairly). at time ghq could not given general orders or plans, intitatives or goals. many country brigades had to be self sufficent. this carry on is one small example of why certain brigades went to the anti treaty side during the civil war.

people like ginger o'connell and even eoin o'duffy (eeeek - even then he was very dellusioned and enjoyed a high opinion of himself)

no one is trying to derride collins in any way, he had alot going on be it in his position in the irb,ira, volunteers, dail, minister for finance, the loans scheme etc. but meggard is simply saying there were many fine men working under him who dont get the credit they diserve, particularly men like dick mckee - his lost was a heavy one for the dublin brigade

[Rocky]

read books written by tom barry and earney o'malley or michael hutchinsons book on the war. many country brigades resented the ghq and often considered some as mere pun pushers , eg richard mulcahy (unfairly). at time ghq could not given general orders or plans, intitatives or goals. many country brigades had to be self sufficent. this carry on is one small example of why certain brigades went to the anti treaty side during the civil war.

people like ginger o'connell and even eoin o'duffy (eeeek - even then he was very dellusioned and enjoyed a high opinion of himself)

no one is trying to derride collins in any way, he had alot going on be it in his position in the irb,ira, volunteers, dail, minister for finance, the loans scheme etc. but meggard is simply saying there were many fine men working under him who dont get the credit they diserve, particularly men like dick mckee - his lost was a heavy one for the dublin brigade

While admitting the problems you list Tom Barry in particular is very complimentary of Collins, Mulcahy and HQ in general.

It wasn’t the type of war where HQ could command things and they didn’t have the resources themselves to give to others. Collins, Mulcahy etc. did most of their work in Dublin, which was obviously crucial to the WOI.

The IRA would never have been successful as it was without the work of HQ and they wouldn’t be as successful without the local commanders (Lynch, Barry, MacEoin etc.) and the brigade’s around the country.