Catholic Church Abuse.

[Kev408]

Did I say that or is that just an assertion on your part?


Did I say that or is that just an assertion on your part?


The Church certainly do not have their heads in the sand. What are you doing to help the victims? You can pick and moan from the sidelines, but you're not the one charged with making the tough decisions and having to deal with emotional individuals who have undergone abuse of the most serious kind.

Please don't turn this thread into an anti-Catholic rant (I don't know what your gripes are, but leave it to another thread please). Also, your observations that the Church are wealthy are very true: money that was bequeathed by the faithful down through the years so she can continue in her most important mission: spreading the good news and saving souls. I don't see why their generosity and good will should be scuppered by the actions of the evil few.

I don't have too much of a problem with fair criticism of the Church (a lot of the criticism I would agree with). But it's all too easy to criticise when a) you don't have the full facts, b) you have a chip on your shoulder and an agenda, and c) you haven't even been affected by the abuse.

I and many others will continue to stand by the Church and the decisions of the clergy through these difficult times, even if it means being deeply unpopular.

Every post you make hurts victims more than you seem to know. How could you claim to be 'christian' and still spout nonsensical drivel? Even the church you defend so blindingly has apologised for the abuse. Why can't you? You are the least christian person I have ever come across. Shame on you.

[COMMIE]

You are indeed an empty vessel.

Can you explian why seeking the truth equates to you as being empty?

[silvernut]

Aggressive, you and I share a lot of common ground.

You always seem to do this in a debate Facto. When you know you're not getting any traction (usually because you're defending the indefensible) you claim to share common ground with people who are diametrically opposed to your position.

Why is this? I'm curious. Is a tactic deployed from the Opus Dei Handbook for Internet Forums? I think we should start a thread to discuss your problems in depth.

[Andrew49]

Truly shocking report.

I was at a Christian Brothers organised concert a few weeks ago (which was of the highest quality and superbly run) and to think that this kind of thing went on under their watch is incredulous.

I hope and pray that this dark period in the Irish Church's history can be put behind us.

The Christian Brothers and the Church in Ireland should be given every support in their battle against this evil.

[COLOR=DarkGreen]Originally Posted by Tony_1975[/COLOR]
The Christian Brothers and the Church in Ireland are this evil.

The best way to put this dark period behind us is to put the Catholic Church behind us. Get them out of our schools, out of our hospitals and out of our government. Permanently.

Now you're just being a silly knee-jerker.

More knee-jerkism.

The parents can decide if they wish to continue to send their children to Church run schools. The Christian Brothers have an excellent reputation when it comes to excellence in education. Let's not lose sight of this fact.

Sorry, but the Church remains morally supreme to billions of people, despite her flaws and her mistakes.

I don't like your sarcastic tone on this serious matter.

A 61-year-old former Christian Brother has pleaded guilty to 36 counts of indecent assault on pupils at a school in Limerick city in the 1960s.
Sean John Drummond, of 50 Broadford Drive, Ballinteer in Dublin pleaded guilty to indecently assaulting 19 boys. The offences occurred at Creagh Lane National School, in Bridge Street in Limerick on dates unknown between July 1967 and July 1968.

former Christian Brother convicted after pleading guilty to to indecently assaulting 19 boys

[Kev408]

He admitted to abusing 19 boys. I wonder how many there really were. I wan't to kill that man.

[Disabled student]

A 61-year-old former Christian Brother has pleaded guilty to 36 counts of indecent assault on pupils at a school in Limerick city in the 1960s.
Sean John Drummond, of 50 Broadford Drive, Ballinteer in Dublin pleaded guilty to indecently assaulting 19 boys. The offences occurred at Creagh Lane National School, in Bridge Street in Limerick on dates unknown between July 1967 and July 1968.

former Christian Brother convicted after pleading guilty to to indecently assaulting 19 boys

There is another Christian Brother who will be hauled before the courts at the end of this year or next year.

He had admitted his part re abuse in St Joseph's School,Cabra.

I wonder how many more to come ??

[Geekzilla]

The Church certainly do not have their heads in the sand.

WHAT???????

Is this the same Church that spent decades in denial about the abuse???

What are you doing to help the victims? You can pick and moan from the sidelines, but you're not the one charged with making the tough decisions and having to deal with emotional individuals who have undergone abuse of the most serious kind.

Stop playing the player instead of the ball.

Please don't turn this thread into an anti-Catholic rant (I don't know what your gripes are, but leave it to another thread please). Also, your observations that the Church are wealthy are very true: money that was bequeathed by the faithful down through the years so she can continue in her most important mission: spreading the good news and saving souls.

I dare say the faithful would have done quite otherwise with their money if they'd realised half of what was going on.

I don't see why their generosity and good will should be scuppered by the actions of the evil few.

See above comment about the faithful.

I don't have too much of a problem with fair criticism of the Church (a lot of the criticism I would agree with). But it's all too easy to criticise when a) you don't have the full facts, b) you have a chip on your shoulder and an agenda, and c) you haven't even been affected by the abuse.

There's that playing the player instead of the ball again...

I and many others will continue to stand by the Church and the decisions of the clergy through these difficult times, even if it means being deeply unpopular.

Even though the bona fides of the Church are so cracked they are almost powder?

[Geekzilla]

There is another Christian Brother who will be hauled before the courts at the end of this year or next year.

He had admitted his part re abuse in St Joseph's School,Cabra.

I wonder how many more to come ??

That is an excellent question.

[Andrew49]

He admitted to abusing 19 boys. I wonder how many there really were. I wan't to kill that man.

Something that's not touched on by those who like to play down (or minimise) the abuse of children ... the phrase 'one bad apple' is used a lot. Not mentioned though is the number of victims.

Sean John Drummond 19 children.
Brother Allen at least 14 children.
Brother Maurice Tobin over 100 children.
Fr. Brendan Smyth probably close to a thousand children.

And 99% of the abuses by just those two could easily have been prevented because the Church was well aware of the recidivist nature of paedophilia. The Church could actually have saved these children from a life of torment, instead it facilitated the abusers.

And there was a thread running in this forum highlighting (and trumpeting) the acquittal of a former Christian Brother - needless to said that thread was started by a 'former' Christian Brother who thinks little of demeaning abuse victims and espousing an odious doctrine that a certain priest was only having sexual affairs with those he preyed on!

[COMMIE]

I think it not a good ideal cliam to be a good person and defend abuse. I take it you condemn people in the church who have abused people Facto.