The Irish Times & Irish History- have they lost the Plot?

[Catalpa]

Just read this Article from today's edition:

Truth elusive in the shared history of Ireland and Britain - The Irish Times - Fri, Apr 17, 2009

Surely the IT could have got someone to cross check it first before publishing such a piece and the rather glaring Historical errors that it contains?

I mean honestly if the want Historical Articles in their 'paper of record' I'll do it for

- for Free!

Clangers:

'The Liberals had finally pushed through the Home Rule Bill in 1911 after 60 years of effort.'

'The devastation of the first World War and the election of 1919 saw to that for good'

'Thatcher’s predecessor as Tory leader 100 years before, Lord Randolf Churchill'

[TommyO'Brien]

Just read this Article from today's edition:

Truth elusive in the shared history of Ireland and Britain - The Irish Times - Fri, Apr 17, 2009

Surely the IT could have got someone to cross check it forst before publising such a piece and the rather glaring Historical errors that it contains?

I mean honestly if the want Historical Articles in their 'paper of record' I'll do it for

- for Free!

Clangers:

'The Liberals had finally pushed through the Home Rule Bill in 1911 after 60 years of effort.'

'The devastation of the first World War and the election of 1919 saw to that for good'

'Thatcher’s predecessor as Tory leader 100 years before, Lord Randolf Churchill'

Do you even know what an op ed is? It is an opinion piece. Not the Irish Times opinion. The writer's opinion. It is the writer's mistakes, not theirs. But you have such a chip on your shoulder about the Times you cannot tell the difference.

[cyberianpan]

Do you even know what an op ed is? It is an opinion piece. Not the Irish Times opinion. The writer's opinion. It is the writer's mistakes, not theirs. But you have such a chip on your shoulder about the Times you cannot tell the difference.

It may be an opinion piece but it also claims to state facts, and if the Irish Times choose to employ amateur then they need to vet his articles to ensure that standards are preserved

Julian Ellison (44) studied classics and history at Oxford, but is now a technology entrepreneur in Co Mayo.

cYp

[Horace Horse]

Don't they employ proof readers any more?

The Irish Times has declined precipitously under the current management.

A bit sad to see a once important newspaper reduced to nonsense.

[droghedasouth]

Details were a bit astray, but the thrust of the article was interesting, especially in relation to the decline of the Liberal Party.
His thesis is more credible than "The Strange Death of Liberal England".

The parallels with today are interesting.
If Scotland and Wales left the Union, there would be a semi-permanent Tory government.

[cyberianpan]

Don't they employ proof readers any more?

The Irish Times has declined precipitously under the current management.

A bit sad to see a once important newspaper reduced to nonsense.

The IT's sub-editorial department suffered especially under the cutbacks

cYp

[pete2]

Couldnt make much sense of the WhatIfery but the final sentence was heart warming

he believes that accepting a Protestant voice back into Ireland’s political and social culture should be the next phase of the peace process – and a prerequisite for a united Ireland

[gavinsblog]

Clangers:

'The Liberals had finally pushed through the Home Rule Bill in 1911 after 60 years of effort.'

'The devastation of the first World War and the election of 1919 saw to that for good'

'Thatcher’s predecessor as Tory leader 100 years before, Lord Randolf Churchill'

Churchill, Winston's father, was Conservative leader 1886-87
The Home Rule Bill was pushed through by the Liberals, but suspended by the Lords?

[droghedasouth]

Churchill, Winston's father, was Conservative leader 1886-87
The Home Rule Bill was pushed through by the Liberals, but suspended by the Lords?

NO.

The Act was passed to the Statute Books and enacted after it received Royal Assent on 18 September 1914 and simultaneously postponed for the duration of the World War I conflict. The Ulster question was 'solved' in the same way: through the promise of amending legislation which was left undefined.[7] Unionists were in disarray, wounded by the enactment of Home Rule. and by the absence of any definite arrangement for the exclusion of Ulster.[8] Nationalists, in the belief that independent self-government had finally been granted, celebrated the news with bonfires alighting the hill-tops across the south of Ireland. But as the Act had been suspended for the duration of what was expected to be a very short war, this decision was to prove crucial to the subsequent course of events.

[gavinsblog]

So it was successfully pushed through by the Liberals.

And the Churchill thing is correct?