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No, I am aying that SF did not get a majority of the votes, EVEN AFTER intimidating other parties out of the contest and widespead evidence of ballot stuffing.
No, I am aying that SF did not get a majority of the votes, EVEN AFTER intimidating other parties out of the contest and widespead evidence of ballot stuffing.
A little lesson on geographic and political terms for dummies :
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You could talk in circles all night about the popular vote of 1918. Seeing as though SF stood on 25 constitiuencies unopposed it would be hard to to gauge the actual popular vote. Never the less, they polled 73 seats of the 105 available even if it were a low turn out. Let's not get strung out on revisionism of a truly historic event.
No, but the majority of the seats. The rest is history. How big is that chip on your shoulder?
Jeez.
great work indeed . Using the place were the declaration of independence was read out to promote their strategy of upholding a unionist veto , a British parliament in Ireland and support for the British police in Ireland .
I must have missed those bits in the declaration of independence . I was under the false impression the Declaration of Independence rendered such foreign violations of Irish democracy and sovereignty wholly illegal entities .
And Whereas English rule in this country is, and always has been, based upon force and fraud and maintained by military occupation against the declared will of the people:
the only people who uphold this position today are denounced as dissident republicans , as opposed to just republicans . Its a central republican and democratic tenet . All of the leinster house and stormont nattionalists have fully and completely rejected this declaration of Irish independence in favour of upholding a British constitution in Ireland instead . Treason against ones own country .
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[SIZE=5]We solemnly declare foreign government in Ireland to be an invasion of our national right which we will never tolerate, and we demand the evacuation of our country by the English Garrison[/SIZE]
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Hi Merle,
The declared will of the people has changed considerably since 1918. The embedding of the 26 county state and the partition of Ireland has become normal for the majority of the citizens on this Island. Therefore the declared will of the people is no longer there for the complete withdrawl of the British presence. So how do you change that? You change your strategy, because no matter what you want to achieve in terms of the Republic IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN - Unless you have that very important will and support of the people. You won't win that by back head on wall Republican strategies. One of those ways is to fight elections, gain political momentum, in doing so popularise the struggle and put forward different concepts for government. So when the political climate changes, and being a part of that political climate, it's vital that you do no not get left out in the cold. Certain things have to grasped. the policing boards, 6 county government and all the horrible stuff that goes with it. But that doesn't mean support, it means working from within to achieve your strategic goals.
We could be content to sit on our laurels and pretend we are all doing the right thing for the sake of the Republic, but we're not about that. We're about achieving the Republic, by what ever means necessary.
So alot of time has passed since 1918, and different strategies have been worked, never the less the end goal is still the same, enshrined in 1916 and 1919.
Twist and spin how you like, Daftpunk.
But it's the height of hypocrisy to support the British forces, administer British rule, work as British Ministers and then try to claw back some dignity by living off the Glorious past.
Just 1 gramme of cocaine destroys 4m2 of tropical jungle. Give it up ya selfish b'stards.
In the 80th anniversary the 32CSM held a small rally outside the same venue to commemorate the event.
They were alone, photographed by political police, harangued by reporters, sneered on by political commentators, and so on. A front page headline in one of the tabloids had a photo of the peaceful commemoration, with the headline, "Stop living in the past."
Now we hear, 10 years later, the State itself and other Establishment parties like PSf are to do the same thing. Next weeks events just reeks of hypocrisy, and, to be honest, smacks of a desperate attempt to claw back some nationalistic credentials.
Just 1 gramme of cocaine destroys 4m2 of tropical jungle. Give it up ya selfish b'stards.
Thats the reality of it chara. Twist and spin or not.
To repeat-
no matter what you want to achieve in terms of the Republic IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN - Unless you have that very important will and support of the people.
Great, now we get another lecture from all the IRA'ers and murderers about democracy whilst most still refuse to recognise the will of the Irish people. Nearly a century for the most basic concept of all - the right of the Irish people to decide their own future- it took to filter through to them. 3000 needless Irish men, women and children blown to bits by them because they refused to recognise this most basic principle.
More SF double speak. Will they ever learn that Irish people aren't stupid?
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