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    Historical film makers, revisionaries with money?

    Who makes these films?

    Just watched Oliver Cromwell the film on BBC 2 and it was practically complete fiction, portraying the 'man' as someone who wanted peace and democracy and not holding out on the glorification whatsoever.

    I know theres other films that are very revisionist, some Irish ones like Michael Collins are also full of nonsence.

    Is there any accurate historical films, or are these kinds of films generally only made by those with a desire to glorify the past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Who makes these films?

    Just watched Oliver Cromwell the film on BBC 2 and it was practically complete fiction, portraying the 'man' as someone who wanted peace and democracy and not holding out on the glorification whatsoever.

    I know theres other films that are very revisionist, some Irish ones like Michael Collins are also full of nonsence.

    Is there any accurate historical films, or are these kinds of films generally only made by those with a desire to glorify the past?
    With the short audience time available it is necessary to take dramatic license. Also you must remember, what is your audience? American films are usually aimed at 15 year old boys.
    In the end of the day, film production is about making money, no different to any other business.

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    IIRC, in the film "The Patriot", there is a black man fighting on the American side in the Revolutionary war. When asked about why he's fighting, he responds by saying "I believe in freedom etc etc".

    Slavery had not yet been abolished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Who makes these films?

    Just watched Oliver Cromwell the film on BBC 2 and it was practically complete fiction, portraying the 'man' as someone who wanted peace and democracy and not holding out on the glorification whatsoever.

    I know theres other films that are very revisionist, some Irish ones like Michael Collins are also full of nonsence.

    Is there any accurate historical films, or are these kinds of films generally only made by those with a desire to glorify the past?
    It's not really possible to make completely accurate historical films just ones that are closer to historical facts than others.

    Perspective will play a huge part in how a script writer and a Director will interpret the material they are given from an Historian.

    And like all such people he or she will carry 'baggage' that will seep into their works.

    Looking forward to seeing 'Hunger' myself but I know that such a controversial episode in our History did then and will now genertae opposing viewpoints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Who makes these films?

    Just watched Oliver Cromwell the film on BBC 2 and it was practically complete fiction, portraying the 'man' as someone who wanted peace and democracy and not holding out on the glorification whatsoever.

    I know theres other films that are very revisionist, some Irish ones like Michael Collins are also full of nonsence.

    Is there any accurate historical films, or are these kinds of films generally only made by those with a desire to glorify the past?
    The same film I just watched? He clearly states how he wants to crush Catholicism and take vengeance on the Irish for the imaginary massacres that took place. He also declares civil war. And he's played by a Limerick man.

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    Yes the film where he cries at the end while angelic choir music sings while he declares that he is fighting for the people bla bla....

    The film that ends with him taking credit for universities, peace, law and anything else they could get the actor to say.

    The film that curses the Irish for attacking the slave running colonial powers in Ireland.

    And i dont care if he's played by a Limerick man, I just seen Graham Norton plastered in a shiny union jack suit for the eurovision contest,and he's from cork!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Just watched Oliver Cromwell the film on BBC 2 and it was practically complete fiction, portraying the 'man' as someone who wanted peace and democracy and not holding out on the glorification whatsoever.
    It's a film from 1970. Historical discourse has moved on somewhat since then.
    "The thing that always annoyed me about traditional Irish historiography was the paradox of its Anglocentrism. People are now prepared, I think, to confront the possibility that many Irish problems are, in a sense, indigenous to the Irish situation." Roy Foster (1989).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nem View Post
    It's a film from 1970. Historical discourse has moved on somewhat since then.
    Don't be so bloody naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    The same film I just watched? He clearly states how he wants to crush Catholicism and take vengeance on the Irish for the imaginary massacres that took place. He also declares civil war. And he's played by a Limerick man.
    "the imaginary massacres"? Sounds like you could work for the film industry.

    Or just be the typical Irish Nationalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clearview View Post
    "the imaginary massacres"? Sounds like you could work for the film industry.

    Or just be the typical Irish Nationalist.
    'kay. Go away now.

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