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    September 11th Memorial

    Even in the 1600's the British terrorist state used the media to defend and promote its butchery. The English press published accounts of mass slaughter of Protestants by Irish rebels, out of control animals and savage murderers with no mandate slaughtering innocent Protestants. Does this rhetoric sound familiar!! They were only short of accusing them of being bank robbers and drug smugglers!

    September 11 1649 just one of the dates in Irish history where innocents were slaughtered by the British. RIP. Men women and children, butchered, brutalised and burned.

    Aston refused to surrender so Cromwell opened the bombardment, his cannon battered two large breaches in the town's medieval walls from long range and on the 11 September 1649, Cromwell ordered the assault. Two Parliamentarian attacks were repulsed before Cromwell's men fought their way into the town.

    As the Royalists had refused to surrender Cromwell, in his own words, "In the heat of the action, forbade them [his soldiers] to spare any that were in arms in the town". The garrison was massacred as were any Catholic clergy found within the town.

    After breaking into the town, the New Model soldiers pursued the defenders through the streets, killing them as they ran. A group of defenders had barricaded themselves in Millmount Fort, overlooking the town's eastern gate held out while the rest of the town was being sacked. They negotiated a surrender, but were then disarmed and killed. Another group of soldiers in St Peter's church (at the northern end of Drogheda) were burned to death when the Parliamentarian soldiers set fire to the Church. Arthur Aston, the Royalist commander, was, reportedly, beaten to death with his own wooden leg, which the New Model Army soldiers thought had gold hidden in it. Richard Talbot, the future Jacobite Duke of Tyrconnell was one of the few members of the garrison to survive the sack. Only 150 Parliamentarians were killed in the attack. The few Royalists who survived were deported to Barbados. Cromwell wrote: "I do not think 30 of their whole number escaped with their lives. Those that did are in safe custody in the Barbados." Though Colonel John Hewson wrote "those in the towers being about 200, did yield to the Generals mercy, where most of them have their lives and be sent to Barbados.” The 200 taken prisoner tallies with Royalist estimates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norfolk Enchants
    Even in the 1600's the British terrorist state used the media to defend and promote its butchery. The English press published accounts of mass slaughter of Protestants by Irish rebels, out of control animals and savage murderers with no mandate slaughtering innocent Protestants. Does this rhetoric sound familiar!! They were only short of accusing them of being bank robbers and drug smugglers!

    September 11 1649 just one of the dates in Irish history where innocents were slaughtered by the British. RIP. Men women and children, butchered, brutalised and burned.

    Aston refused to surrender so Cromwell opened the bombardment, his cannon battered two large breaches in the town's medieval walls from long range and on the 11 September 1649, Cromwell ordered the assault. Two Parliamentarian attacks were repulsed before Cromwell's men fought their way into the town.

    As the Royalists had refused to surrender Cromwell, in his own words, "In the heat of the action, forbade them [his soldiers] to spare any that were in arms in the town". The garrison was massacred as were any Catholic clergy found within the town.

    After breaking into the town, the New Model soldiers pursued the defenders through the streets, killing them as they ran. A group of defenders had barricaded themselves in Millmount Fort, overlooking the town's eastern gate held out while the rest of the town was being sacked. They negotiated a surrender, but were then disarmed and killed. Another group of soldiers in St Peter's church (at the northern end of Drogheda) were burned to death when the Parliamentarian soldiers set fire to the Church. Arthur Aston, the Royalist commander, was, reportedly, beaten to death with his own wooden leg, which the New Model Army soldiers thought had gold hidden in it. Richard Talbot, the future Jacobite Duke of Tyrconnell was one of the few members of the garrison to survive the sack. Only 150 Parliamentarians were killed in the attack. The few Royalists who survived were deported to Barbados. Cromwell wrote: "I do not think 30 of their whole number escaped with their lives. Those that did are in safe custody in the Barbados." Though Colonel John Hewson wrote "those in the towers being about 200, did yield to the Generals mercy, where most of them have their lives and be sent to Barbados.” The 200 taken prisoner tallies with Royalist estimates
    Question.

    As much as your plagarised and unattributed post is... from wiki no less http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Drogheda why did you choose to not quote the entire section of wiki? Why post all those sentences and then leave this one out?

    It is alleged in some accounts that as few as 700 civilians died in the chaotic aftermath of the fall of Drogheda, though other accounts put this figure higher.
    Or the fact that as you didn't post a source, so you didn't fancy posting 'Debates over Cromwell's actions'

    It could be said what happened at Drogheda could be used by Irish Catholics to counter-balance the memory of the Irish massacres of 1641 and to show the Irish as victims rather than aggressors in the Civil Wars, and indeed it could be argued that they were victims, as the English forces were the occupying power. Later, Irish people seeking independence from British Colonial rule would also invoke the memory of the killings at Drogheda as a valid example of the English oppression of Ireland.
    Oh the Juicy Irony of somebody complaining about propganda - yet themselves painting such a one sided picture. .

    Norfolk? Get over yourself?
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    Re: September 11th Memorial

    We need to commemorate this terrible deed -

    We should be seeing our politicians there at Drogheda's equivalent of 'Ground Zero' and praying for the souls of those poor unfortunates who were so brutally cut down by Cromwell's Ironsides.
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    Over 3,000 died in this attack by a religious and political zealout and his new model army.
    We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.

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    I'm pretty sure that any planned memorial would be dismissed as sectarian if it were not accompanied by a memorial to the planters killed during the 1641 rebellion, just as the 75th anniversary of 1916 had to be accompanied by a Somme commemoration.
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