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Too many carried the desire to cut themselves off from the Troubles to ridiculous extremes, and become plain silly.
thats true on one level but the issue goes a lot deeper . Theres a lot of killing your father psychological stuff involved , destruction of ones own national culture and identity leading to alienation from your society , leading to identification with another . Particularly one thats seen as more powerful ,successful , cosmopolitan and all the rest . For a lot of these weirdoes the provos were just a focus . When its not them its the GAA , 1916 , Irish language , preists, even fianna fail . They dont hate fianna fails corruption only their perceived national identity . - anything identifiably Irish in origin becomes a target for their mental imbalance . Unfortunately for us the conflict made this mental illness into a job opportunity .Originally Posted by Slartibuckfast
check out this utter ************************stain whos going to be a regular target of my much awaited blog and youll see exactly what I mean
http://gombeennation.blogspot.com/
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That may have been in the British plan for keeping Northern Ireland all along, one foot in the door (so to speak). Despite the outrage of many Republicans over British crimes during the Troubles, overall - they were relatively very restrained - imagine if it had been Russia and an insurgency had started in a territory they considered theirs... This idea of a thirty year occupation? Forget about that, they would be shelling nationalist areas and rounding up every single Catholic male between the ages of 13 and 50 and they would have invaded the Republic and installed a puppet regime. But that is too crude, would have encouraged international condemnation, would have deepened Irish/British divides and harmed Britain, something much more subtle is required.
With the Troubles going the way they did, we now have East-West bodies, removal of Article 2 and 3, we have antinationalist histories peddled to our kids, a media that is stridently entrenched in an antinationalist position, a Taoiseach who attends Battle Of The Boyne events while digging up Tara. I say the Brits played it well, the sly devils but we made it easy for them. As other posters above imply, 'the fear of being seen to support Republicanism during the Troubles' is another way of saying 'the fear of Britain's anger'. When you act according to your fear of another - you become their creature and acknowledge their control over you.
History might record that the Troubles proved a useful tool in bringing about some level of British control over the Republic of Ireland.
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i think there always was some level of control . Its be more true to say the last troubles just identified the specific areas they needed to exercise a fuller level of control over , which they did and constinue to do . Theyre playing this one for keeps .
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Aye they were wild good to us altogetherThat may have been in the British plan for keeping Northern Ireland all along, one foot in the door (so to speak). Despite the outrage of many Republicans over British crimes during the Troubles, overall - they were relatively very restrained - imagine if it had been Russia and an insurgency had started in a territory they considered theirs... This idea of a thirty year occupation? Forget about that, they would be shelling nationalist areas and rounding up every single Catholic male between the ages of 13 and 50 and they would have invaded the Republic and installed a puppet regime. But that is too crude, would have encouraged international condemnation, would have deepened Irish/British divides and harmed Britain, something much more subtle is required.
With the Troubles going the way they did, we now have East-West bodies, removal of Article 2 and 3, we have antinationalist histories peddled to our kids, a media that is stridently entrenched in an antinationalist position, a Taoiseach who attends Battle Of The Boyne events while digging up Tara. I say the Brits played it well, the sly devils but we made it easy for them. As other posters above imply, 'the fear of being seen to support Republicanism during the Troubles' is another way of saying 'the fear of Britain's anger'. When you act according to your fear of another - you become their creature and acknowledge their control over you.
History might record that the Troubles proved a useful tool in bringing about some level of British control over the Republic of Ireland.
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Slarti, I'd like to qualify that statement this way: 'The Brits illegally invaded Ireland and, after hundreds of years of oppression, 'partition' came along. If it wasn't for partition this ongoing and ever growing phenomenon of rampant West Britism just wouldn't have happened, after, and only after, the aforementioned colonisation.'
Nevertheless, I take your point.
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All of what you is correct. But I fail to see how killing off duty policemne in cold blood and blowing up Manchester city centre will vindicate your rights. The SDLP and Sinn togehter could have achieved more throught the ballot box from the 80s on.There's no doubt that the overwhelming majority of people wished that there had been no killing, but when you keep a people down and deny them a voice through politics or any other means then they fight back, often that it through the realm of violence.
You take away the reasons for war and there is no war. We didn't create a war, we didn't want a war, but we had no choice but to fight a war.
Where is your evidence for that?
You know, he could pass for any one of several columnists in the Sunday World (i am thinking of the silhouette in particular).check out this utter ************************stain whos going to be a regular target of my much awaited blog and youll see exactly what I mean
he could pass for one of those farts i used to do when i forsook food for drink back in the day . Nonthless his opinions are near enough a prerequsite for a career as an Irish newspaper columnist . A determined affort to tick every box .
we can just imagine his attempts to explain the issue of collusion to his readership .
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Ye know, I had a whole post ready to go to Garibaldy on the whole subject of Fear, but then I decided it wasn't worth the effort and deleted it. Ah well.
But it really does get to the heart of the matter. These cretins are afraid, so they do the native monkey act in a desperate effort to stave off the Big Bad Wolf.
I think at least some of it in the south comes from a sneaking suspicion in the back of their heads that they were damn lucky to Get Away With It in the 1920s, and so they really don't deserve their pseudo-Independence...from this flows a lot of behaviour that is otherwise inexplicable, the corruption and mismanagement and me-feinism and cute hoorism. Despite loud protestations to the contrary, very few southerners really, really identify with the southern State. It's just something to be taken advantage of. They know, deep down, it was never won, merely granted, and what Mutha granted Mutha might take away if they aren't Good Little Children.
The shadow of Partition looms large.
Je suis un loo-lah
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