1916 illegal?

[Young Ned]

I've seen this all over the place and thought to respond in thread wherever I've seen it, but decided it was off-topic and decided to start my own.

My question is two fold: To the people who say that 1916 was without political mandate, and illegal, would you support returning Ireland to English rule, and if not, why not? If part of the reason is that you enjoy the benefits of being a citizen of Ireland over England, why would you speak ill of '16?

Secondly: Do you feel any of the risings throughout Irish history have been justified. As I'm sure most are aware, uprisings in history have not been very well recieved until *after* success. Political mandates for revolution rarely come first.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[pauriceenjack]

The Home Rule Bill would have secured more than the 1916 rebellion.

The 1848 Rebellion was justified given the events of the time, but it might not if successful have delivered the social change required to improve conditions, in the same way that the 1920 rebellion failled to deliver until 1996

[Young Ned]

The Home Rule Bill would have secured more than the 1916 rebellion.

The 1848 Rebellion was justified given the events of the time, but it might not if successful have delivered the social change required to improve conditions, in the same way that the 1920 rebellion failled to deliver until 1996

You don't feel that politically, that English promises had been shown to be worthless? It seems to me that some of the greates tragedies of history have been because the English were believed. I think Limerick provides an excellent illustration of this.

It seems there was no guarantee of home rule being anything like what was hoped for. Also, exactly when was the right to soveriegnty signed away?

[Tiernanator]

Poor old pauriceenjack is Irish but wouldn't mind being English. The tragedy of Ireland.. west brits.

[pauriceenjack]

A Home Rule Parliment after the end of WW1 would have come, and created a lot more harmony on the island than an armed rebellion.

[Aindriu]

A Home Rule Parliment after the end of WW1 would have come, and created a lot more harmony on the island than an armed rebellion.

I would disagree with that. having read several books on the topic there is evidence to suggest that the British govt was intending to renege on the whole Home Rule concept. It was being used as a sprat to catch a mackerel in that they wanted conscription in Ireland to feed their ever increasing demand for bodies at the western front.

[Young Ned]

A Home Rule Parliment after the end of WW1 would have come, and created a lot more harmony on the island than an armed rebellion.

What are you basing that on? The English history of good will towards Ireland? Their strict adherence to their word in the past?

[pauriceenjack]

The war of independence secured only what was available by peaceful means

[CJH]

The war of independence secured only what was available by peaceful means

Read a history book, like a good boy

[Bom]

"Parliament itself would not exist in its present form had people not defied the law".

A. Scargill