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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk Back View Post
    Go away you fool.
    You see when the historical truth concerning Devalera murderous fascist anti democratic conduct is pointed out you have nothing to say.
    That is because you are blind to what that evil bastard did in 1921.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    You hate democracy and want to murder Irish people who support it.
    All in the name of a fascist republic controlled by mad extremists with no sense of reality or morality.
    No sense of morality or reality, isn't that what Cosgrave and later Dev gave us. Both were traitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runwiththewind View Post
    No sense of morality or reality, isn't that what Cosgrave and later Dev gave us. Both were traitors.
    I disagree.
    The Irish civil war was very avoidable.
    The fanatics who stoked it up were DeValera, Cathay Brugha, Mary Mc Swiney , Liam Lynch.

    They were a minority of hopeless idealists indifferent to the suffering endured by Irish people and blinded by ideological fanaticism .
    There cause was deeply immoral and anti democratic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    You see when the historical truth concerning Devalera murderous fascist anti democratic conduct is pointed out you have nothing to say.
    That is because you are blind to what that evil bastard did in 1921.
    You pointed out nothing, except how ignorant of Irish history you are.

    Trolls like you should be banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk Back View Post
    You pointed out nothing, except how ignorant of Irish history you are.

    Trolls like you should be banned.
    Here you go again with your pathetic rubbish in defense of the murderous fascists Liam Lynch and Eamonn DeValera.

    These pigs foisted a civil war on the people of Ireland when they rejected the democratic vote of Dáil Éireann to accept a treaty that gave Irish men a real chance to govern their own island.

    Pig fools like Devalera were prepared to plunge the country into perpetual warfare against England which had zero chance of success.


    These are the evil fools you worship
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    The anti treaty account in the OP does not sound in the least plausible.
    Also highly unlikely that fanatic lunatic Liam Lynch and Collins would have agreed on anything .
    This is history written by some Fianna Fáil Devalera embongi with the usual agenda to twist the truth.
    You are plain wrong. As per usual you confuse your feelings with facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk Back View Post
    I'm about to give you a free education here - thank me after it sinks in.

    Dail Eireann voting on treaty was ULTRA VIRES - it was beyond the legal power or authority of Dail Eireann.

    The constitutional position from January 1922 till June 1922, when the renegade Free State army (deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles) illegally attacked the Irish Republic was as follows.

    The Republic, legally established by the vote of the people, could not be disestablished by its legislature. The legislature (parliament) and Executive (cabinet) were merely organs of the Republic created to maintain and defend the Republic as the established State."

    In other words, constitutionally Dail Eireann could not be used to destroy the Irish Republic.

    Furthermore, this was clearly understood on January 9th, 1922 when Arthur Griffith took office as President of Dail Eireann. He knew that Dail Eireann could not unilaterally ratify the Treaty, and because of this, he pledged himself to maintain the Republic until it would be disestablished by a vote of the people.

    Griffith's exact words were "Dáil Eireann, as the President said (referring to de valera) - I must still and always call him President - can only be disestablished by the will of the Irish people. What I propose to do is this - when we adopt the form of Provisional Government - is to arrange for a plebiscite of the Irish people or a General Election on this question as to whether they will have a Free State or a Republic."

    Read and learn https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates.../1922-01-09/3/

    The people never voted on the treaty or to disestablish Dail Eireann or to disestablish the Irish Republic - the 'Pact' approved by Dail Eireann on the 20th of May and by the Sinn Fein Party on the 23rd of May prevented the people voting on the treaty.

    The fact remains that 64 to 57 Dáil deputies voted to accept the treaty in a free vote.

    No amount of your retro twisting can change that.

    The fact also remains that the blood lust for killing was fomented by your hero Devalera who publicly on the record stated he would murder Irish pro treaty people who stood in his way.

    (Wade through blood speech)

    You support that pig and the other perverted freak Liam Lynch who thought along similiar lines.

    The civil war is over but deluded fools like you just never got it and want to keep the blood flowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    Here you go again with your pathetic rubbish in defense of the murderous fascists Liam Lynch and Eamonn DeValera.

    These pigs foisted a civil war on the people of Ireland when they rejected the democratic vote of Dáil Éireann to accept a treaty that gave Irish men a real chance to govern their own island.

    Pig fools like Devalera were prepared to plunge the country into perpetual warfare against England which had zero chance of success.


    These are the evil fools you worship
    I'm about to give you a free education here - thank me after it sinks in.

    Dail Eireann voting on treaty was ULTRA VIRES - it was beyond the legal power or authority of Dail Eireann.

    The constitutional position from January 1922 till June 1922, when the renegade Free State army (deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles) illegally attacked the Irish Republic was as follows.

    The Republic, legally established by the vote of the people, could not be disestablished by its legislature. The legislature (parliament) and Executive (cabinet) were merely organs of the Republic created to maintain and defend the Republic as the established State.

    In other words, constitutionally Dail Eireann could not be used to destroy the Irish Republic.

    Furthermore, this was clearly understood on January 9th, 1922 when Arthur Griffith took office as President of Dail Eireann. He knew that Dail Eireann could not unilaterally ratify the Treaty, and because of this, he pledged himself to maintain the Republic until it would be disestablished by a vote of the people.

    Griffith's exact words were "Dáil Eireann, as the President said (referring to de valera) - I must still and always call him President - can only be disestablished by the will of the Irish people. What I propose to do is this - when we adopt the form of Provisional Government - is to arrange for a plebiscite of the Irish people or a General Election on this question as to whether they will have a Free State or a Republic."

    Read and learn https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates.../1922-01-09/3/

    The people never voted on the treaty or to disestablish Dail Eireann or to disestablish the Irish Republic or for war - the 'Pact' approved by Dail Eireann on the 20th of May and by the Sinn Fein Party on the 23rd of May prevented the people voting on the treaty.

    The renegade Free State army (deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles) had NO authority to attack the Irish Republic on June 28th, four days after the 'Pact' election votes were counted on June 24th - and suppress Dail Eireann two days before it was scheduled to meet to discuss the results of the 'Pact' election on June 30th, and to form the new Dail Eireann (3rd) on July 1st. at 12 p.m.
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    FM & TB: "two bald men fighting over a comb" springs to mind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by raetsel View Post
    FM & TB: "two bald men fighting over a comb" springs to mind!
    Not to confuse you - but why is that?
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