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    Ireland 1940 - A snapshot in Time

    During the year 1940 the number of deaths returned as due to diseases of pregnancy, childbirth and the puerperal state was 208.

    This figure is equivalent to a rate of 3·67 per 1,000 births, compared with an average of 4·32 in the preceding ten years. The corresponding rate for urban areas was 2·76 per 1,000 births, and for rural areas, 4·24, as compared with 3·12 and 3·56 respectively, for the year 1939.

    There were 3,759 deaths of infants under one year of age registered during the year. This figure is 68 above that for the year 1939, and is equivalent to a rate of 66 per 1,000 births·; the rate for last year was also 66. The rates per 1,000 births for urban and rural areas were 85 and 55 respectively in 1940, and 83 and 55 in 1939.

    Among legitimate infants the rate of mortality was 60 per 1,000 births, and among illegitimate it was 246. The legitimate infant mortality rate for Northern Ireland was 82 and the illegitimate, 167 ; and for Scotland 76 and 120 respectively.

    The number of deaths registered as caused by violence was 1,067. Included in this figure are 99 due to suicide, 13 to homicide, 12 to war operations, 2 to execution, and 941 to accidental or unspecified violent causes. During the previous year there were 80 suicidal, 15 homicidal and 815 other violent deaths. The number of accidental deaths registered during 1940 as attributable to road traffic was 210, compared with 198 for the previous year.
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    ANNUAL REPORT OF THE REGISTAR GENERAL 1940

    Estimated population: 2,958,000

    Births: 56,594

    Deaths: 41,885

    NORTHERN IRELAND, 1940

    Population: 1,296,000

    Births: 25,363

    Deaths: 18,941

    Interestingly the Birth and Death rates North & South were almost the same but the Marriage rate in the North was Higher!

    Illegitimate Births.-The births registered during 1940 include 1,824 of illegitimate children, a figure which is 43 more than that for 1939. The number for 1940 is equivalent to a rate of 0·62 per 1,000 of the population, and a rate of 3·22 per cent. of the total births recorded. The respective rates for the previous year were 0·61 per 1,000 and 3·18 per cent.

    In Northern Ireland for 1940 the rate per cent. of the total births was 4·61, and for Scotland 5·89.



    From the table below it will see the illegitimate rate was highest in Ulster counties and lowest in Connacht.


    Food for thought here methinks....
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    Significant proportions of the population in the Free State (as it it was then), NI, and Scotland lived in grinding poverty.

    Agricultural, industrial and energy production were all a fraction of current levels. State subvention was focussed on necessities not Patrick Neary scale pensions.

    And that meant that large sections of the population were struggling.

    The most marked difference, when comapred to present day society, is the effective dismantling of any form of personal stoicism, that enable people to overcome great odds.

    Such features as resiliency, self discipling, and hard headed thinking interrupts the penetration of advertising, in effectively keeping the poor, from moving up.

    Effectively, advertising, and group buyer behaviour have become programmed into the populace to produce clueless robots who do as they are instructed.
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    Now to follow on a bit

    The number of illegitimate births was 1,824 approx. 3% of the birth population

    We now know that some 11,500 women were sent to the Magdalenes

    We don't know when the last women were sent there but its probably fair to say their heyday was 1922- 1977 at most

    That is approximately 200 women a year

    We know that some 25% were there by Court Order and others were there for all sorts of reasons

    But lets say 50% were there because they were unfortunate to give birth outside marraige

    So say 100 a year

    If in 1940 some 100 women were put in these places because of what they had done

    - then what happened to the other 1,724 women?

    Did they go back home after it was all over?

    Did they Emigrate?

    Did they move to Dublin?

    I think we can say that after viewing the Statistics

    - that the picture in not quite as Black as some modern commentators would have us believe...
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    You lost. Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    You lost. Get over it.
    I think they want a return to the "good owld days", of dancing at the crossroads and abuse of children by priests
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    Quote Originally Posted by cozzy121 View Post
    I think they want a return to the "good owld days", of dancing at the crossroads and abuse of children by priests
    And women in the kitchen/bedroom. All too often, the same room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    You lost. Get over it.
    Well at least your honest enough to admit that the 'Magdalene Laundries Scandal' was a carefully constructed Modernist narrative with a political purpose...

    Fact is only a very tiny number of women who became pregnant outside of marriage

    - ever ended up in these places....

    As a trained Historian we were taught to carry out original Research, dig deep - and separate Fact from Fiction

    Sometimes we can unearth nuggets

    - that some people find hard to swallow....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cozzy121 View Post
    I think they want a return to the "good owld days", of dancing at the crossroads and abuse of children by priests
    This is indeed the narrative that you have now been taught

    - by your new masters...

    Have any of them even a History Degree - let alone an Irish one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Well at least your honest enough to admit that the 'Magdalene Laundries Scandal' was a carefully constructed Modernist narrative with a political purpose...

    Fact is only a very tiny number of women who became pregnant outside of marriage

    - ever ended up in these places....

    As a trained Historian we were taught to carry out original Research, dig deep - and separate Fact from Fiction

    Sometimes we can unearth nuggets

    - that some people find hard to swallow....
    As a child I lived in the grounds of a convent where my father was head gardener and where there was a laundry, and I can tell you that you're full of absolute sh!te. He got a new job as soon as he could and has maintained a life-long hatred of nuns.

    [Edit]And as it happens, I have a degree in history.
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    All I can think of is TB and abcessed teeth. Lets be real here - OP wouldnt last five minutes.
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