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    Catalpast Catalpast is online now
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    We move on -

    GENERAL SUMMARY 1960
    Marriages.-There were 15,465 marriages registered during the year 1960 compared with 15,420. in 1959. The marriage rate per 1,000 population was 5·46 compared with 5·42 in 1959.

    Births.--The number of births registered during 1960 was 60,735, and the birth rate was 21 ·45 per 1,000 population, compared with 21·15 per 1,000 population in 1959.

    The number of illegitimate births registered in 1960 was 968 or 1·59 per cent of all births.

    Deaths.-The number of deaths registered during 1960 was 32,660 and the death rate was 11 ·53 per 1,000 population. In 1959 deaths registered numbered 34,243 and the rate was 12·03.

    Of the deaths registered in 1960, 32 · 56 per cent were stated to be due to heart diseases, 14 · 58 per cent to malignant neoplasms, 11 · 69 per cent to rvascular lesions affecting the central nervous system and 1 · 43 per cent to tuberculosis (all forms).
    The number of deaths in 1960 from tuberculosis of all forms was 468 and the rate was 0·17 per 1,000 population, compared with 517 deaths and a rate of 0·18 in 1959. There has been a considerable decline in the death rate from tuberculosis since 1947, when it was l·24 per 1,000 population. The number of deaths from this disease in 1960 was the lowest recorded.

    During 1960 the deaths of 1, 777 infants under one year were registered, equivalent to a rate of 29 ·.26 per 1,000 live births. In the previous year 1,927 deaths, equivalent to a rate of 32·02 per 1,000 live births, were registered.
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    Things were definitely improving in the Ireland of 1960!

    I note with interest that the numbers of illegitimate births had fallen by half in just 20 years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    The banning of corporal punishment in 1982 barely gets a look in in terms of seminal shifts in this country, but for me, it should be at the very top of any list

    Even away from the sex abuse, the idea that we allowed teachers beat children as young as 4 with straps and canes up till 36 years ago is horrifying.
    Imagine this, there are people still teaching who beat the ************************e out of children with the full approval of the state.
    I can only imagine the guilt and remorse some of these feel and wonder what in name of Christ were they thinking of.

    I had a great Latin teacher who leathered us in 1st year
    Eased off in 2nd and stopped altogether in 3rd
    I can only imagine he had come to the very late conclusion that it was barbaric

    Anyone ever have a decent conversation with a teacher who walloped on what they now feel?
    Like a lot of his ilk he was most probably a pervert. A huge amount of "Christian" Brothers were.
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    However how accurate were those figures?

    Reasonably so but as they are based on Registrations then what happened when people never registered a birth or a death?

    in a study of birth and death registration in a sample of parishes in the west of Ireland between 1965 and 1969, estimate that slightly less than two per cent of baptisms were not registered. On this basis inaccuracies in birth registration were not severe in the late 1960s and the authors suggest that late registration was more of a problem than nonregistration. For the period prior to 1942, however, Hughes (1977) suggests that the scale of under-registration was quite considerable. He argues that the introduction of rationing in 1942 and of child allowances in 1944 provided strong incentives for parents to register births. Before this period fewer incentives existed and consequently problems of under-registration were more severe. Hughes contends that the dramatic and sustained increase in the number of registered births after 1941 (from 57 thousand in 1941 to 66 thousand in 1942) provides strong evidence for his case


    Birth Under-Registration in the Republic of Ireland during the Twentieth Century
    http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/han...=1&isAllowed=y
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    I don't think FG are deliberately cruel (although i had my doubts about Noonan), theye are just lacking inspiration
    Build tonnes of houses (and good ones with greens and play areas) and charge people what they can reasonably afford (and zero tolerance for scamming or cheating state)

    Some of the housing schemes undertaken in the first decade of the new state (Marino being a golden example) are stunning and helped build vibrant and thriving communities
    We lost our way in 1960s when Haughey and the boys handed building over to scumbag developers and builders.

    Building modest affordable housing with decent amenities was one of the few things we got right back then
    Needless to say we insisted on calling them all after either priests or IRA heads.
    I don't mean to drag us off topic. My point is when the modern state can explain away major crises, it's not unimaginable to see why the state back then allowed things to be so bad; turning a blind eye to the church, leaving those in the slums to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by louis bernard 11 View Post
    What you say is largely correct (apart from your crack about Noonan) But back in the day social houses were for the mos t part built for families, i.e Dad, Mam and several children and the families were for the most part decent and hard working. The situation now is slightly different, lone parent families, missing fathers, dole spongers and anti social behaviour to beat the band. Most people with any sort of ambition for their children would avoid social housing if they could get a mortgage and buy in the private sector.
    Propagandist bull************************.
    The majority, by far, of people suffering under the housing crisis are tax paying workers. Blaming dole spongers and single mothers on the one hand and FG patting itself on the back for high employment and a campaign against dole cheats on the other is hypocritical apologist bollocks. We've record breaking levels of child homelessness in 2018 ffs. 'We'd a better quality of poor back then'? You Fine Gael shill merchant.
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    most likely any xtian brother who used to wallop kids either was warned or discovered tranquilisers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBP voter View Post
    A lot of people actually got proper parenting back then.

    Nowadays they are dumped with childminders and some don't see a parent till late in the evening.

    Down to bad planning due to long commutes.
    That's what they call 'first world problems' isn't it? Not comparable to families living in the slums or the homeless children, working people needing state aid to afford rent of today.
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here Catalpast with this thread but it would be great to see that when is posting statistics which single out Ireland, that equivelent statistics from other countries be also included. Then and only then can valid inferneces be drawn from such.

    In fact, the absence of comparative statistics allows people to jump to all sorts of wild conclusions. Which we see all over the place and all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBP voter View Post
    The irish political cycle.

    FF mess up. FG clean it up and then suffer the electoral consequences.
    That's the FG reading of the situation.

    The real reading is that FF mess up after spending too long in government; FG are then elected by default in the hope that they will improve matters; although they have never been trusted with a majority.

    Once in government, FG then makes life so unpleasant for those at the bottom of the pile that a great many of them emigrate. As the government doesn't have to pay for their upkeep there is a little more money for those who remain. Still, many of those who remain are in pretty dire straits, and FG loses support.

    Having used emigration & austerity to "solve" the crisis, Irish society is horrified with FG and turfs them out of government again.

    In 2016, FF had not managed to recover from their major fúckup with the property bubble, and FG did, for the first time ever, return to government; but having lost one third of their seats in the Dáil. In other words, the electorate did not see FG as having solved the problems caused by FF (cheered on by FG and Lab) during the property bubble.
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    Fianna Fail get caught fiddling the till, then Fine Gael are caught cooking the books.
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    How many times have FF fecked up the country?
    The Civil war
    FF isolationist and protectionism in the 30s 40s 50s
    FF economic treason of 77
    FF economic treason of the 2000s
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