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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtharper View Post
    The Geneva Conventions had absolutely no relevance to the incident, as you well know.
    The Geneva Conventions don't apply in counter insurgency or to the British?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    And of course they were in Gibraltar for a flower arranging course.
    Scouting mission one assumes. But even if they were there to arrange flowers the decision was taken to kill them regardless of actual threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enuffisenuff View Post
    people killed on their way to kill people..seems fair enough..
    What were they going to kill people with? Their bare hands?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    The Geneva Conventions don't apply in counter insurgency or to the British?
    They had no relevance in this incident, no more than they did when that scumbag gangster Duggan was killed in London a while back.

    As you well know.
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    Shoot to kill was Maggies revenge for Brighton
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtharper View Post
    They had no relevance in this incident, no more than they did when that scumbag gangster Duggan was killed in London a while back.

    As you well know.
    What are you on about? Duggan was killed by the cops. Soldiers are always bound by GC. Specifically doing things prohibited under international law doesn't mean the law doesn't apply.

    Bizarre stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enuffisenuff View Post
    people killed on their way to kill people..seems fair enough..
    Where is the evidence that they were on their way to kill people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macnessa View Post
    Where is the evidence that they were on their way to kill people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    They shot hundreds of unarmed people. Kneeling them down on their door steps & shooting them unarmed & pleading for their lives, often in front of their wives and children - they can hardly whinge about being unarmed.

    The paramilitaries took not a single surviving prisoner - they can hardly cry foul.
    In all fairness, that's every bit as obvious a whatabout as IRA sympathisers doing the same thing when their opponents report on their terrible misdeeds.

    It was either an armed conflict or it was a matter of law-and-order. It can't be allowed to be defined by incident according to the interests of either party.

    For what it's worth, it was not a war, however much some might like to define it as one, and that has implications for how the British prosecuted their efforts to defeat the IRA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    What are you on about? Duggan was killed by the cops. Soldiers are always bound by GC.
    No they're not, only when engaged in armed conflict, certainly not when acting in support of the civilian police under their own law and jurisdiction. The G.C had no application in NI during the troubles nor in the British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar. There is a long-standing provision in UK law for the handing-over of responsibility for an incident from the civil police to the Military when necessary and appropriate, see the Iranian Embassy Siege for example.

    Specifically doing things prohibited under international law doesn't mean the law doesn't apply.
    Using lethal force against criminals in your own jurisdiction isn't prohibited under international law, and if your actions are later questioned - as they were in this case - then it is a matter for the civilian police and your own Legal system, not the Geneva Conventions.

    Bizarre stuff.
    It is indeed, I have no idea where you're getting it from.
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